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I am so old I remember a time when Republicans and Democrats were friends...
@freemo
It could happen again.
@pthenq1 Not anytime soon. All indications is that both parties are spiraling towards ever increasing extremism and violence.
@freemo
I don't see the blue one getting crazy.
Republicans have all the internal believers in conspirational and so on.
They hate. As we all can see in Fox news.
No matter. The global warming consequences will make them return to their senses...
@pthenq1 For most of Trump's president the "blue ones" were busy burning down cities across america. For weeks the sky was so dark from the car and city fires they started it was impossible to ignore.
I have never seen violence in my lifetime ever approaching the size or magnitude of what the democrats did during Trumps presidency.
That said, I dont disagree with your take on the Trump/Republican supporters either.
I do hope this is true.. too early to tell but I wont reject the idea either.
who is to blame aside, there is no doubt trump, partly because he lacked any sense of diplomacy in how he spoke, caused way more divide than unification.
In many ways Trumps biggest flaw was not his policies or making fun of the disabled or any of those things (which are valid criticisms in his their own right) but instead the fact that he seemed to intentionally want to create division. Not that other politicians like Biden dont do the same. But Trump took that to an extreme and seemed to be central to his whole campaign.
Biden definitely is not creating division.
You cannot agree with more than one of his policies, but you are not for that being accused of being an extremist, a criminal, an enemy of the order, an enemy of the state, or unamerican.
You are not despicable for your political color. You are still protected by the system. Etc.
Trump's tactic of creating an invisible internal enemy to gain power was a tactic copied from Goebbels. He did that. Biden definitely is not doing nothing like that at all.
Biden absolutely is creating division, but not at the same level that Trump is.
"You ain't black if you dont vote for me".. not to mention his extremely racist past as a whole, tends to create a lot of division out there in its own rights.
His complete disregard for personal freedom with the vaccine mandate stuff has also created a huge amount of decision.
The difference is Biden is a far better liar than Trump is. He can get up there and give a speech that sounds ok and you might be more able to accept his form of evil. Trump on the other hand was evil but he thought he wasnt and as such did very little to hide it.
I'm not mad at Joe. I honestly believe Hunter should sue the people who coerced his dad into accepting a job he did not want for elderly abuse.
As for Trump:
I believe he was a genius for the fact that he has
managed to live rent free in so many people's minds.
When it comes to the job of POTUS, the reason it is hard to find quality people for the job, is being POTUS requires having to *live* in D.C.
@freemo because you are white.
If you were Afro-American, I am sure you would notice a bit more violence than the one you get in your Barbie world.
Everybody deserve a Barbie world. No only trumpists. And living in one is not a bad thing.
It should be for everyone though
1) I am not white, I am native american
2) very racist and quite rude of you to judge me based on my race ragardless, worse yet when you dont know what my race is and assume.
3) native americans have a far bloodier history of being the victim of racism than any other group.
@freemo
It is a barricade talk to prove a point. No offense intended.
I am not Afro-American, but my family are. And several of them didn't have a good time in Trump's years
@pthenq1 apology accepted. I would highly advise against that approach in the future, it is an ugly one IMO and derails a conversation more oftne than it helps.
Anyway the key point here is I was a huge supporter of why they were protesting (better treatment of blacks was a big part of it). Its not the protests I objected to, it was the extreme violence that they carried out while they protested. I will never excuse violence in the name of a just cause, or any cause.
@freemo
Indeed.
But it is a consequence of previous violence. That happens when a debate can not use political channels.
If lot of Afro-Americans are being shot by cops and justice is not being served, and the debate is won for the people supporting the killing, well, some of the other side could feel they are excluded from the system.
People excluded from the system tends to not care regarding the system's health. When the tendency persists, you could see violence, and when the violence is too much, it is called revolution.
It is what happened with Floyd's killing. I believe that the good ones won and if you pay attention the violence subsided.
Good old democracy channeling the political debate.
@pthenq1 I'd be hesitant to excuse one violence because of other violence, though you arent wrong.
The truth is in many ways there has been a race war in the USA that goes back long before the generation alive. whites and their supporters have long since murdered or abused blacks, and blacks and their supporters have long since attacked and abused whites. Its a vicious circle and like any long fought war there is a lot of hate on both sides for the other and a lot of violence carried out in that name.
I would never claim whites are innocent or that we didnt do a lot of (if not most of) the invoking with the slavery and the lynching, and chauvin an all the rest. There is also no shortage of black violence against "the establishment" (whites) in one sense or another and the violence during the protests was just one example of that.
In the end we wont solve any of this mess if you keep accepting or excusing any part of the circle of hate. That means being sternly against the violence of one side just as much as you are against the violence of the other. Yes this could have been stopped if Chauvin wasnt a murderer, then we wouldnt have had protests... just as the protestors could have no burned down homes and businesses and cars.
The blame game never works, everything that is is the result of an endless chain of cause and effect. We cant focus at the tip of the spear but we rather need to recognize the whole chain and how every link in that chain is wrong.
The extremists on both sides of the political aisle will keep being extreme, and keep going further, you're not wrong about that. But their support will drop off a cliff the farther they go.
I think we're way closer to the OP meme that we realize, especially if #Trump does not win the GOP nomination.