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I am so old I remember a time when Republicans and Democrats were friends...
@freemo
It could happen again.
@pthenq1 Not anytime soon. All indications is that both parties are spiraling towards ever increasing extremism and violence.
@freemo
I don't see the blue one getting crazy.
Republicans have all the internal believers in conspirational and so on.
They hate. As we all can see in Fox news.
No matter. The global warming consequences will make them return to their senses...
His racist comment was the very first time ive seen him do that in all the time I knew him. I cant say I liked that tactic but it had less hate in it than most racism at least I guess ::shrug::... it is a shame that the first time your interacting with him is with that message honestly.
Either way I understand your reaction given the extent of violence we all went through at the hands of democrats for 4 years, even myself who opposed Trump got a lot of abuse from that side of the table.
@freemo @saitei
I am a fellow American living in California. No everybody agree, but I think California is still part of the States.
Trump years created a lot of violence in both sides of the political spectrum.
I see people coming to their senses now. It doesn't mean agreement. Just normal political non violent debate.
I saw lot of violence against minorities in Trump years. In that matter things are better now.
Oh you live in california... sorry I did not know this. For some reason I cant recall now I thought you lived in spain.
One could argue California is their own country, and they wouldnt be too far from the truth. But no I will give you credit as an American then.
That said im sure the democrats rioted in cali like they did on the east coast so much. California pretty strongly leans democrat so there wasnt much need for clashes I would think.
They only burned part of Berkeley University as part of the debate to stop some Nazi if giving an alt right conference. I think it was Milo Yiannopoulos.
But it is ok. Nazis cannot spread violence and not getting involved.
We have our fair rate of republicans, but we don't think you are un American if you like Trump... They are not the enemy.
I thought like you, but now I realized I was wrong. The paradox of the tolerance and all that.
Can you name a time where Nazis came to power where they werent first censored en masse? In germany they were extremely unpopular and even persecuted before the popular sentiment suddenly shifted and they rose to power. We see a huge upsurge recently of racist authoritarian types like nazis that seems very clearly to be a result of recent censorship efforts by social media and mainstream news generally having bias. I see the same as largely the pattern around the world, authoritarian racist regimes always seem to be preceeded by an attempt of censorship that directly results in attention and ultimately a rise of power being focused on the bad agents such as nazis.
I dont entierly disagree with the idea that Trump would have potentially lead to an autoritative regime, its entierly possible. It is certainly true his supporters at least have a lot of racism to go around (not all, but a lot of them).
Funny thing is you are just proving my point. Trump was censored or otherwise clearly biased against in the media. This is the very reason his supporters grew so fanatical in the first place. So this case proves my point more than anything. Even now his supporters seem more extreme than ever.
Thats why i also included extreme bias in my statement. Before it started witht he media very clearly and against all expectations of good journalism, had an agenda against Trump. They would routinely lie, distort, or provide half truths to paint a picture of Trump worse than he was. I would say journalists going out of their way to obscure the truth is very similar and a precursor to outright censorship.
In the end outright censorship was where it ended, so that is clearly included in the overall picture too, which again seems to have just radicalized his supporters further.
No doubt Trump has to shut up. That said while I can agree the News has been bias and lacking in journalistic integrity (what you call editorializing) since before Trump, and yes they will show their bias on most presidents, I have never seen it even approaching the levels that it did for Trump.
Obviously I think its fine to say that while journalists should be called out for their lack of journalistic integrity outside of the scope of Trump, that Trump also incites this very sort of reaction, so it very well is contributed by Trump by making himself a Target.
But regardless of who's fault it is that mainstream media displayed the worst side of themselves in the most extreme fashion to date, the fact remains that this behavior is ultimately a strong component in what caused Trump's supporters to rally in the first place.
But that is the thing. We do not have to agree on everything or else be enemies!
That was implicit in all the history of United States. From the more perfect Union and even before.
The problem was that Trump, in order to win, invoked people's demons and fears creating the "us vs them" idea.
That had consequences. And they happened.
"Trump years" didn't really create the violence, it existed prior to him being elected. The media just suddenly had a great scapegoat to excuse any and all violence against the people they disagree with.
I've seen a lot of violence against ordinary white people too. But for some reason nobody cares when the whites are being disenfranchised, even though they built most of the modern world, and most of the modern infra you're using *right now* to shit on them.
Since I have worked in IT out of california many times my view of californias is going to be very skewed as my "sample" is not really the general population.
That said I have found californians to be extreme democrats usually favoring very excessive regulation to solve all of lifes problems. I would laugh at Cali when i was there because everything you bought and everything you did usually accompanied with fine print at the bottom of a sign that was half the length of the sign. I remember going to a park once and needed a lawyer to interpret the small-print at the bottom of the visitors welcome sign about all the things you cant do.
That said while I strongly disagree with the authoritative approach californians tend to embrace I wouldnt personally describe them as incapable of nuance, where they fail is their response to that nuance. They are often very bright people (in my circles) and more than capable to hold an intelligent well detailed argument. But in the end they just have their priorities all backwards where getting people to conform is more important than personal freedoms.
I also can't really take them seriously on their values of human beings given their lunatic views on gender and sexuality. LGBTQIAPP++ (or whatever nightmare they've made it into now) acceptance has been an atrocity for the human race.
We have that quality. Californians are Awesome people. 
I understand people misunderstanding strong regulations.
One way to see it is that you are free and own of your destiny. The world is not a place that you must crash while you look for self realization though.
So other people discovered, for example, that car pollution emissions are bad. And they did something about it. Therefore you will follow the law about using cars with cathalitics gas treatment and buying expensive gas super purified, either you believe in science or not, believe in global warming or not, etc.
Follow the regulations than older people than you or just better people than you put in place. Your self discovery is not required. And that's freedom.
You get this, you get California.
That doesn't sound like something I would want to spread anywhere.
As a data scientist let me just say you'd be surprised how many things we keep data on. Not all data is comprehensive enough, but there is data to some degree on almost anything.
Yes.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/homeless-shelters/vaccine-faqs.html
Homeless are Americans. With lot of troubles
@saitei @freemo
There was a reason for his arrest. No reason for his execution.
If someone stops you for crossing a red light, you expect:
* Being stopped by a cop.
* Getting a ticket or something like that. Even arrested.
You don't expect to be shot. And there are dozens of examples were drivers were shot.
So there is a problem. And there's another problem if we don't understand that your life cannot be in danger everytime the law is broken. Sometimes perhaps, but no all the time.
"But Afro-Americans killed without reason by cops definitely is not a white problem."
Strongly disagree there. This problem is two fold 1) cops kill people without justification, both white and black. There is a problem in policing in america that tgoes way beyond the race issue 2) There is a race issue there as well because while police will kill unarmed whites and unarmed blacks and it is an issue for all, blacks are more strongly targeted so there is an amplification of the base problem for blacks that is rooted in some sort of racism.
So I'd say it very much is a problem for whites, just as there is a black/racial component there that needs to be considered too
yes obviously in a sense this is true. The difference is just that in south california mexicans are still a large majority.. the rest of america whites have managed to kill most of the native population off which in a sense makes them no longer guests but rather the owners of the "house"
