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@kingannoy@octodon.social
Im not sure i would need to pick one or the other. I can promote a more fair society and still promote guns. I dont see a huge need to pick one right over another.
I can say that a society where guns need to be used less to defend yourself is a good goal to have.
@louisrcouture
@freemo @kingannoy in all respects. Couldn’t the things that make Netherlands a better place than the USA, (less violence, in particular), be because of the current policies they implement, such as gun control https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-research-how-policies-can-reduce-deaths-2019-8?op=1
They **could** be yes.. and at least **some** of their policies likely contribute to that.
But while it **could** be due to their policy on guns I strongly do not beleive it **is**. In fact I think there are a few policies having nothing to do with guns that leads to this and some things that arent policy related at all.
Not policy: The culture of morality that is passed down/taught from generation to generations. Also a lack of taboo around seeking therapy and other mental health
Policy:
1) healthcare that gives them access to therapy (as broken as it is its still better than the USA in this regard)
2) The fact that if you call police they probably wont shoot you, your dog, and your kids for your trouble
3) Cheaper access to education, which in turn leads to better access to jobs above the poverty line
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy if you read the article you would have known that such claims are already adressed.
Mental illness does not cause violence, in fact mentally ill people are more likely to be victim of violence rather than perpetrators.
US states with stricter gun laws have less shootings than others us state and no us state have free healthcare
Actually i didnt notice you had attached a link to your comment. Not sure how I missed that.
Not all mental disorders lead to violence, in fact a great many dont. But are you not familiar with anger management therapy. Anger, in and of itself, is treated by therapists just as much as schizofrenia. Therapy isnt about disorders, its about addressing the dark parts of you in all shapes and form.
I also want to point out there are a ton of mental disorders that explicitly have violence as a symptom. For example one criteria for Intermittent explosive disorder is that you must have at least 3 episodes or more a year where you cause physical injury to others.
The idea that us states with stricter gun laws have less shootings is what we call the cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and it is **not** how good statistics work. For causality we always show that a change in law is followed by a change in the trend of violence, we do not use static correlations. The reason for this should be obvious, if guns stop violence then states with more violence have greater pressure to have lax gun laws as people have a greater need to be protected. So in fact what you think is the cause and effect is in fact reversed from the reality. The guns arent causing the violence, the violence is causing the guns.
If we actually do look at proper statistical analysis where one looks at a change in law and then observes the change in rates of violence that follow in the years after we see, in fact, a quite strong trend where restrictions of guns lead to an increase in violence and homicides.
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