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@kingannoy@octodon.social
I really have little interest in the agenda and swing of criminally bias news organizations or how they want to erroneously retell the story.
I watched every second of the court case, I watched every second of video, and I will not invest one second in the media trying to spin things, I have more than enough evidence to know what happened that the news is going to add 0 value here.
Now if you think the news article presents a valid point or new evidence please feel free to voice it, I will be happy to discuss any talking points. But I find 0 value in media diatribes.
Now to answer your question:
Number of people who died with lax gun laws:
2, exactly the people who should have died, the criminals with a history of violence who were trying to kill/severely injure him.
Number of people who would have died with strict gun laws:
1, the innocent person who was out all day providing first aid to protestors who was killed by a mob of angry thugs who deserved to die fdor trying to kill him but werent because gun laws meant he couldnt have a gun.
I wasnt refering to the intercept but rather news as a whole. And I was being a bit hyperbolic to use the word "criminally"... though they do quite often lie through their teeth (all of the media) I'm not sure its fair to say its a crime to lie and have bias.
Other than maybe C-span I dont think I've ever seen a news organization with journalistic integrity to any degree anymore.
That said this is a huge tangent and we dont need to get into debating if news agencies are valid or not... If you feel they offer good evidence or make a good point, just share it directly. I have no need to hear a new's spin on it though.
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy hmm it seems what you are angry about are opinions and « chroniques » (don’t know the word in English) . In Canada they are legally required to be disclosed as such. Not sure about the USA.
It goes way beyond just opinion, but yes opinion is part of it. Often those opinions are in a vast majority of media straight up lies and misrepresentations. But yea in my view an "opinion" isnt journalism. Though when clearly seperate in seperate sections and labeled as such it may be acceptable if the opinions are done in a factually rigorous way.
In virtually all media (not counting things clearly labeled as opinion) I generally find very little journalistic integrity, its almost non existant. Foreign news is better but even then it leaves little to be desired.
That said, I see no need to read second hand "sources" anyway. We can debate on first hand data just fine.
@kingannoy@octodon.social
Just gonna leave this here for thread posterity (though I dont think it is all that relevant other than the fact that he literally was a convicted child molester assaulting a kid and is now the "victim")
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy oh if we are digging up peoples past then from what I heard kr punched a woman before and he said he wanted to kill people right before going to Kenosha, or so is what I have heard
You mean the fight where **She** threw the first punch and he hit back... yea im ok with that, equal rights means you can fucking deck a chick in the face if she hits first.
Also getting in a school yard first fight is not quite on the same level as raping a child, but ok.
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy @freemo @kingannoy you don’t get what I’m saying.
All I’m saying is that the allegation are not proven.
Even if the allegations were true, it’s also not a reason to shoot him. As you know, there’s a concept called rule of law. All criminals, even the worst one, are entitled to a trial. And we don’t know whether he did it. The people’s Internet tribunal is quick to cancel and condemn people, without knowing if and what they have done, and its sentences are rarely proportional to the misdeed done.
Dude your just making stuff up. He was a **convicted** child rapist who spent 10 years in arizona prison for molesting **5** different children all under 11 years of age. Not only was it proven in a court of law, but we are talking a **serial** rapist.
You really dont see the relevance of a serial rapist who raped 5 kids under the age of 11 chasing down another minor in the street who was fleeing for his life and finally getting shot?
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy ok then if he served prison terms he has paid his debt back to society.
You may think it’s not enough, and I agree. 5years is not enough. BUT it is still not okay to forgo rule of law and kill someone just because you think he hasn’t paid back enough. You do not get to dismiss due process and a fair trial system.
You make a good point, considering the serial rapist already served his time he should now be free to assault minors all he wants, its all good.
I dunno, maybe if you raped 5 little kids you shouldnt be chasing kids down the street threatening to kill them... maybe im just a bit crazy....
@kingannoy@octodon.social
Also he wasnt killed "just because" he didnt pay back his debt... Its because he was literally chasing down a minor attempting to assault the kid. The fact that he was a 5 time serial rapist is just gasoline for the fire.
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy this is not what I’m saying at all.
You seem to say that in the case that KR killed JR and AH not in self défense, that it would have been okay to just kill them.
It’s not, because we must uphold rule of law.
Like, the alternative to this, letting people kill people because they *believe* they committed a crime, is much much worse. It would basically be mob rule.
No let me be clear here.
1) KR clearly was running for his life, made every attempt to say he was friendly, clearly before he fired a shot the mob was voilent towards him even throwing things at him, etc... he only shot as a last resort when he couldnt out run the mob, and only the people who directly assaulted him
2) any argument that you made earlier about "well maybe they were really nice and just threw things to be friendly and wanted to disarm him despite him being legally armed" really holds no water because not only did they demonstrate they were violent, they have a history of being **Extremely** violent people with multiple arrests and some of the most horrendous violence a person could commit on their record, multiple times over. Their past is relevant because it only confirms what we already knew from the tapes. That these people were violent, extremely violent.
@kingannoy@octodon.social
@freemo @kingannoy
No need to call louis names, he might be misinformed but he is a good guy.
That said, I agree. The dude raped 5 kids under 11. A minor he was trying to chase down and assault shooting and killing him is probably about the most poetic justice anyone could ask for.
Say what you want but atleast Rosenbaum died doing what he loved... assaulting minors.
@louisrcouture @kingannoy@octodon.social
@louisrcouture @kingannoy
@freemo @kingannoy what is your evidence to claim the intercept is a criminally biased news organization