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@doot This is true.. look bad actors can have an absolutely perfect ToS and still act like pieces of shit. The fact that they have some set ofrules they dont really technically follow is a shame, but we cant damn all usage of a phrase or language just because some bad actors used it and then violated it.
but we cant damn all usage of a phrase or language just because some bad actors used it and then violated it
Sure we can. We do it all the time. We classify that language as slurs or dog whistles and let them be signifiers for shitty people to not allow into any space we care about. If, for example, someone in your network of enlightened instances speaks at length about how thirteen percent of the population is responsible for over half of all murders, would that be within your rules?
Oh yes it is done all the time, and I think it is monumentally destructive to the intended cause and to society.
I have a deaf friend, they use the OK symbol quite often, its a crucial part of their language. They were in a photo once making the signed and dogpiled for being a nazi, it was disgusting... one of the worst things to develop in recent society is people looking for "dogwhistles" and accusing good people using common phrases of being nazis or alt-right just because a small portion of society uses those phrases...
Just because we do it all the time doesnt mean it is justified.
Sure ill answer… it depends on what was said and the great context.
Here is something that wouldnt be acceptably:
Thirteen percent of the population is responsible for over half of all murders. Threfore black people are criminals by nature
Here is something that would be acceptable:
Thirteen percent of the population is responsible for over half of all murders. Which suggests they are discriminated against and arrested dispreportionately.
The first one is against our rules since blacks are a protected group and would fall under “nefarious”… the second is ok because you are trying to address an injustice against such a group.
Saying blacks are unfairly targeted and arrested is an argument for an ethnostate? How so?
Because, and this was Jefferson's argument for continuing slavery or forced repatriation, in the face of the injustice inflicted upon them reconciliation and integration may not be possible and it would be better for all parties to be separated.
Dressing up bigotry and oppression in ways that sound reasonable and polite and not "nefarious" is nothing new.
Wait what.. jefferson used the argument that blacks are arrested unfairly due to racism as an argument to perpetuate slavery, and thus we shouldnt point out the fact that blacks are arrested dispreportionately due to racism?
huh....
Close. The argument was that the cultural animosity from the practice of slavery was both justified and insurmountable. Which is the 18th century version of your allowed statement that black people commit more murders because they are discriminated against (which, is incredibly dehumanizing even if we don’t look at the historical versions of that argument).
I said nothing of the sort.
I never said they commit more murders. I said they are discriminated against and arrested unfairly… this suggests they did not commit the mureders but were only arrested on it due to discrimination.
If you think pointing out that cops arrest blacks without cause and accuse tthem of murders dispreportionatly is wrong to point out, then I dont want to be right.
Between this and your assertions that the LGBTQ is somehow destroying their own communities and credibility by not being tolerant enough, I’m tapping out. Nothing productive will come from further discussion between us.
You really went in looking for a fight arent you. What I said is that Nazis are manipulating the LGBTQ to force them into responding in a way that hurts their own community.. a bit of a difference there dont you think?
Close. The argument was that the cultural animosity from the practice of slavery was both justified and insurmountable. Which is the 18th century version of your allowed statement that black people commit more murders because they are discriminated against (which, is incredibly dehumanizing even if we don't look at the historical versions of that argument).
Between this and your assertions that the LGBTQ is somehow destroying their own communities and credibility by not being tolerant enough, I'm tapping out. Nothing productive will come from further discussion between us.