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My mom just got her phone hacked when she called a facebook "support" number to try to get help to fix the fact that her facebook was hacked... she literally got hacked trying to fix the fact that she was hacked.... old people really should not be allowed on the internet.
@freemo Welll... aren't you ageist! ;)
People who scam older people (or scam anyone for that matter) really should not be allowed on the internet. <--- Fixed that for ya!
@Lunatech Do you think a 12 year old should be allowed to drive a car, own a gun, and have full self-autonomy like a person of any other age? If not you're ageist.
@freemo Actually I think we set the age way too high for many things. Farm kids often dreive cars ar 12 or earlier. Someone in my family recently bought a an all terrain vehicle that drives like a amall car (and can reach speeds of 70 mph!) from a farmer and his 10 year old was driving it around with no problem, granted this was not on a road with traffic but in some ways it was more challenging because it wasn't a wide open road. However, that said, there's a big difference between giving kids responsibilities they aren't yet ready for (or haven't been trained to handle) and telling older people that they should not be allowed to do ceratin things just because they have reached a certain age. You may not understand it now, but you will when you go to the doctor and s/he starts talking to the person who brought you in about your condition instead of addressing you directly (pro tip, never see that doctor again!).
@Lunatech I dont think we should set ages at all... Test a persons abilities, if there is an ability they wont have till they are older, they wont pass... if you cant test for it then its just speculation anyway
@freemo Only thing I can say about that is that a test doesn't measure maturity nor the ability to draw upon experience. Many 10 year olds could probably pass a driving test but would they know how to react in an emergency situation?
Then again, the same could probably be said about many 40 year olds, so I kind of see your point. I actually think we will all be a lot safer when ALL cars are self-driving AND the AI technology has been developed to the point that cars are not randomly hitting pedestrians, or plowing into the back ends of stalled cars on the side of the road. Right now self driving cars are about at the same stage of development as early steam locomotives - every now and then one's going to blow up on you!
Now, would I trust an 8-year-old with a gun? Maybe one that's been raised by responsible parents in a loving home environment and that has never been bullied at school, and that has taken gun safety courses and passed a test. But here we have the maturity factor. When I was in Junior High, there were a couple of builles that I fervently hoped would meet an early demise - who knows what might have happened if I'd had an alcoholic dad and access to a gun (fortunately I had neither)? The problem with testing is it can't reveal any of the things that might trigger someone to use a gun in an irresponsible manner. Of course that again is something that's also true of 40-year-olds so maybe no one should have guns?
And why we ever give anyone the right to smoke tobacco has always been beyond me - I never smoked and I hated it when people around me smoked, so much that I stopped attending public events. You know that if tobacco were just introduced today it would immediately be banned as an addictive and harmful substance; it would be right up there with heroin and cocaine. But because there is a big multimillion dollar industry behind it, it's allowed. And that fact is one of the reasons I hate living on this planet, we are so stupid about our policies. People in some states still get jailed for using pot but you can smoke all the tobacco you want? Where the hell is the sense in that? At least now we try to keep people from doing it in public places although if the fucking Republicans had their way I am sure those restrictions would disappear!
Omit age, improve tests, monitor future and historic demonstration of capabilities.
Age is the leqast fair of all since it discreminates explicitly against age. Tests may be bias but atleast it is incidental and possible to improve it.
@freemo I realize that too, but unfortunately test results and age are the only two things we know how to use to measue when someone has reached a certain level of maturity required. And age may well be the worst in many situations, but it's also fairer to certain marginalized people who don't do well on tests (or when the tests were constructed with a deliberate bias). If there is a third option particularly a fairer one, I am not aware of it.