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Sooo just a reminder:
Dresses were the norm for boys in 100+ years ago, and the color pink was a color for boys as well.
Oh yea and in the 1700s it was normal fashion for men to wear high heels.
But hey, lets make up whatever fake history we want to make gender norms sound like they have always been the same and that "cross dressing" and "drag" are somehow new inventions.
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They were still conforming to the gender stereotypes of the time. It's important to remember that it's 2023, not <1923
No not always. The high-heels was not at all common for men to wear until the king decided to wear them (cross-dressing) at which point other men began adopting it as a fashion norm, but only after.
We also have countless famous figures who cross-dressed throughout history.
True.
As we do today. However, it's not known that we had people across history identifying as the other sex while cross-dressing. It's not cross-dressing that's unprecedented, but rather identifying as the opposite sex while doing so. Although, there are some fringe historical cases in which this has occurred...
* cue Nero & Sporus reference as a #Succession fan *
Huh there are tons of historic examples of people who were of one sex identifying as another sex... we have whole stories written about it.. Joan de arc is among the most famous.
Her entire story is her dressing like a man withe the intention of being identified and treated as a man.
@freemo Hmm I'm not finding any record of her identifying or trying to be treated as a man.
Wait what, thats literally the whole story around her.. She dressed as a man to get into the military.
@freemo Ah I see. I thought you were saying that she believed herself to be a man, rather than dressed up as a man as part of a disguise.
Im not sure what "I beleive I am a man" means.. She acted like a man, looked like a man, demanded people refer to her as a man, and people did.
Today man is split between sex (your dna) and gender (how you appear on the outside).. back then sex was related to your genitals mostly and gender was largely the same.. Unless you were talking about penises and vaginas you were talking about gender.
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins Joan of Arc only did that to be able to access an privilege reserved to men, not because of some gender identity conflict.
We dont know that, the reality is we have no clue what motivated her to cross dress or her views on identity.
