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Holy hell the toxicity is on another level.. apparently politely asking someone what law they are talking about is the same as sealioning now... cant even make this idiocy up... two days ive been trying to get information and learn about their concerns and for even bothering to try to understand their concerns (with no opposition of any kind) makes me the bad guy.... do these people not realize that this level of toxicity is putting their communities at risk and not helping?
QT: https://masto.ai/@ariaflame/110481097965464411
@freemo they don't care about that kind of community risk, though: they *want* an idpol grievance echo chamber, not a place to critically examine their positions to make them stronger. Comfortable patting each other on the back, not any kind of intellectual growth.
In this case, there's a race to describe Florida and Texas in the most hyperbolic nonsensical language possible. You get brownie points and encouragement from the crowd if you do that. Questioning it in any way is spoiling the fun.
You are right there is no need, and yet, here we are, with people doing just that... at least in the case of florida where the reality is quite abysmal but the language used to describe it is grossly hyperbolic to the point of obscuring the ability to know what one is even talking about, and to the point of being attacked in this toxic bullshit of a thread simply for asking what is being referenced.
So yea, your right there is no need, thats the whole damn point of the objections, there is no need and yet its what is being done anyway.
No, as Ive stated I dont really care so much about the hyperbolic language other than its self-defeating nature.. The toxicity around "hey that thing you said isnt very descriptive, can you point me to the law your referncing" is far far more the problem than any initial choice of language. If you cant even query about what is meant when someone uses language so hyperbolic as to be non-descript then you are fully within self-defeating territory with no hope of improving the very situation you are concerned about.
What is there to engage in? The **actual** laws are disgusting and I dont agree with them, what is left to say, its clear the OP feels the same.
Also what would motivate me to have any sort of a dfiscussion on the articles when nearly everyone engaged in the thread is acting toxic and aggressive for daring to even ask what the law is, let alone any real serious analysis.
@freemo @ech your original reply was basically pushing back on the OP’s call to cancel the conference. But it did not appear genuine, and your claim to have spent a day googling without success seems implausible. So mission accomplished for you, I guess. Except that I haven’t forgotten the point. @agilealliance.social would do well to cancel the conference. @GeePawHill is right to call for cancellation. And thanks, I guess, for the opportunity to share with others a quick compendium of evidence of hate legislation happening in Florida.
Wow what a delusional take, I never once suggested I was against canceling the conference or otherwise. Quite the opposite, I made it clear I didnt have enough information to hold an opinion and was asking for clarity on what was being spoken about.
The fact is while the actual laws are quite concerning and worthy of rage, it in no way resembles a law making it illegal to be gay, and armed with only that accusation no objective person could use google to find the actual law, which does not resemble the hyperbole presented. You of course had no problem finding it because you were in on the "secret", you already knew what was being referred to before you google searched, which is why your search was so radically different than what the OP had actually said, looking for any anti-lgbtq laws rather than laws that explicitly make being lgbtq illegal.
@freemo @ech @agilealliance.social @GeePawHill you clearly did not read with comprehension the articles I linked. Florida is, in word and in deed, making it illegal to be gay by restricting education, speech, and medical treatment directly impacting members of the LGBTQI+ community, their friends, and their families.
There is no secret. This is top of the news across the US and in the LGBTQI+ community across the world.
Oh, and I see from another post that you’ve been trying to get your original question from 16 hours ago answered for TWO days.
This issue is not about you as you’ve tried so hard to make it. Nor is it about people who don’t discern sincerity on your part. It’s about people impacted by hostile legislators, harmful laws, and all manner of fear- and hate-inducing fabulation.
That is a lot of mental gymnastics to make yourself right about something after making a fool of yourself, damn.
No one is arguing that the laws against LGBTQ aren't horrific, nor that they aren't **leading** towards making LGBTQ illegal... but not being able to teach kids in schools about LGBTQ is not, objectively the same as saying it is illegal to be LGBTQ.. now again for the 3rd time now, I dont mind the hyperbolic language itself, just dont be surprised when someone comes along and asks for specifics, especially since i never challenged the language itself; I politely asked for the specific law, thanked people when it was provided and until you started in with your toxic toddler tantrum bullshit that would have, and should have, been the end of it.
Keep trying to make your disgusting actions justified, go for it, you're only making yourself look like a toxic parasite rather than a champion. Anyone who knows me knows quite well that LGBTQ rights are a top concern for me and the flood of boosts and favorites from this thread are proof that your doing yourself no favors.
@freemo @ech @agilealliance.social @GeePawHill outlawing any aspect of life while LGBTQI+ is outlawing the person
Again, these acts are horrific, the semantics about what language you want to use doesnt matter to me nor am I objecting to it.. the issue is the non-descript more hyperbolic form makes it harder to know what, specifically, the law is being discussed and makes it much harder for anyone to read up on the topic and thus integrate a persons views.
You are literally arguing with someone whose only intent, very clearly and explicitly stated, was to ask what the law of concern was. I never justified the law, never said anyone was wrong for being upset, just asked what the law was... and from that you've now spent 2 days throwing a tantrum over literally nothing and trying your best to fabricate some delusional image of me that is in no way related to my actions..
Apologize, and move on if you want, or keep making a fool of yourself. I dont care, but you can kindly leave me alone now because you are a waste of energy and time I could be spending **actually* helping LGBTQ people or doing other positive works rather than feeding your black hole of toxicity over a non-issue.
You are not welcome to contact me again about this issue, thank you.
I asked you to leave me alone, why are you still messaging me?
@freemo @ech @agilealliance.social @GeePawHill you’re not the only one in the thread. If you need to block me, your call of course.
You can speak to anyone else int he thread you want.. I asked you to stop addressing **me**, talk to the others all you want. Yet you keep explicitly tagging me and talking directly to me... go away, you are a waste of energy.
@freemo @ech @agilealliance.social @GeePawHill it’s important to inquire when surprising claims of ignorance are used in what might be attempts to undermine actions to support and defend the marginalized and persecuted. There is no room for debate on whether they are being persecuted in Florida. But all of your energy in this has been directed away from the persecuted, and flipped into accusations that YOU are the persecuted.
You have been reported for harassment, I will say yet again, stop talking to me, stop tagging me. You want to participate in the thread, go for it, leave me out of it.
@freemo @ech @agilealliance.social @GeePawHill again with the two days. Hyperbole in fact. This thread started 17 hours ago.