@stux Right-wing a few years back felt like it was dying off. Then left-wing went to super extremist mode and then the right-wing saw a resurgance in response.. now i cant tolerate either side anymore.

@freemo It's mostly 2 families who "control" or "invest" so much in it, it's kinda scary

@stux I mean thats true of left wing too.. a few super rich billionairs make up most of the lefts narrative just like on the right.

@freemo Oh I bet! But the amount and extremes are faaaaar less

@freemo @stux If you're referring to extremes in the US, that would include the attempted violent overthrow of the US Government on January 6 and now Trump/right wing second run at it. This what-aboutism is intellectually dishonest.

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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Yes I am talking about the US, but really any english speaking country at this point is on its way there.

So when I pointed out the extremism of the right, which you just confirmed, you find that intellectually dishonest? Weird, but ok. First time I heard someone say i was intellectually dishonest while in the same breath literally spewing "counter" points that agree with exactly what I was saying, that the right (and left) have been quite extreme lately. Or are you one of those people who cant help but hear someone defending one evil entity simply because they criticize some other evil entity?

@freemo @stux Seems I hit a nerve - your statement equated current extremism on the right - with the left. All domestic terrorism in the US for more the 20 years has been from the right. NO domestic terrorism from the left or anyone else. Per the FBI. There is no domestic terrorism (i.e., political violence) by the left in the US. So I think you've engaged in a false equivalency, which is intellectually dishonest. Just own it.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

Taking something that represents 0.00001% of the problem (terrorism) and using it as a model to equate the whole problem... now that is intellectually dishonest!

@stux

@freemo @stux Political violence and threats from the right happens here every single day. The grand jurors in GA were doxed and are receiving death threats, the J6 committee members still receive death threats, 3 people were just shot in FL by a racist Nazi. Read the news, not propaganda, and it will open your eyes hopefully. You just don't like anyone calling you on your shit, apparently.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

When you live in a country of 300 million people then saying it happens everyday is not a rebuttal to what I said. There are fringe cases of terrorism, no doubt. and im not debating if that leans right or left. But its such a small microscopic part of the overall extremism using it to represent the whole picture of the extreme is, as I said, intellectually dishonest.

@freemo @stux Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You've lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest. You can discount, minimize or whatever, but apparently you don't live here and you don't see it.

Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I'm curious, though maybe that was someone else

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

> Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You've lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest.

Its not, and i pointed out precisely why its intellectually dishonest. Sadly more than facts are needed to make an argument, they also need to stand up to logical consistenty, which I pointed out why they didnt here (you are using something that happens at a very small fraction as a benchmark to judge eh whole of the extremities).

Also the fact thatyou care more about "winning" than seeking truth is very telling inteeed.

> but apparently you don't live here and you don't see it.

No I live here. Moved back about a few months ago. While I do try to stay out of the country a lot I grew up here and know the lay of the land quite well. I've had a house int he USA for 20 some years.

> Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I'm curious, though maybe that was someone else

I did not. We are one of the oldest instances in the Fedi, and of course I was approached to sign the NDA, but I refused to do so.

@freemo @stux I always seek the truth and cut away the propaganda and false equivalence, as in this thread. It appears my work here is done. Good day.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Why is it the people who always lie to themselves the most always say this.

@freemo @stux "lie to themselves the most"? Not sure what you're referring to, but you haven't supported anything you've said. Now you've moved on to ad hominem and projection. Good luck with that.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

I havent asserted anything yet that needs backing up. Been dealing with your ego the whole time.

@freemo @stux Are you adding "gaslighting" to your skill set? 😂 My ego isn't demanding that I have the last word in our discussion bro

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