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The thing this is missing is that most people want others to suffer not simply because they happened to turn out fine, but because they believe that suffering **is the reason** they turned out fine. They see it as something that builds character.
Not saying their right, just saying you cant fix a problem by misunderstanding it.
@freemo @Jedigirl along that line, at the extreme end of things, there’s the utopia rat experiment where rats had everything handed to them and in fact dis not turn out fine.
As a society, we do need to aim toward fairness and better treatment of each other
But a bit of natural difficulty is also important.
A pro-suffering guy might be thinking he turned out fine and that rat study proves it. But i think there’s much more to it.
@klforslund @freemo @Jedigirl err the way I remember it the rats didn't have population control. So they suffered because they couldn't plan ahead or couldn't see the cage through the facade? Wait it could be about humans and climate change.
There is more than one rat experiment.. I had assumed he meant a different one than this. ::shrug::
@klforslund @freemo @Jedigirl Can you point me to some references to this experiment? The ones I know about, by Bruce Alexander, summarised by Stuart McMillan in [this comic](https://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/rat-park/), would not support your interpretation.
@klforslund @freemo @Jedigirl Thanks, ss far as I remember Calhoun's conclusions have received several criticisms, but I'm no ethologist, so I am not sure what to think.
