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Republican: fascist, authoritarian, Mostly rich old white dudes being racist towards blacks and telling them how they know whats best for them. Their politicians wear red ties
Democrats: fascist, authoritarian, Mostly rich old white dudes being racist towards blacks and telling them how they know whats best for them. Their politicians wear blue ties
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@freemo most Democrats aren't facists, and some Republicans arent either
@louisrcouture That has been overwhelmingly not my expiernce.. In face while both are overwhelmingly fascist I've foudn when it comes to the authoritative aspect of it (which is the most important IMO) the democrats are in fact a bit worse than the right.
@louisrcouture Of course its not, I never claimed it was. Nor did I even suggest it was...
Authoritativism is a measure of government that has nothing to do with "things you dont like"... it has to do with how much the policies rely on force, and violence vs how much the policies try effect cultural change or other "softer" approaches.
A law that chops off your hands when you still is **very** authoritative... a law that puts you in jail for a long time is fairly authoritative too... if instead the government tries to reduce crime via investing in better mental health access, paid for by taxes, thats still a bit authoritative but far far less so... the same programs however paid for by donations wouldnt be authoritative at all.
Authoritativeism has nothing to do with what you like and everything to do with how much force a government assumes in its policies.
@freemo literally what part of Democrat party ideas today is facist
Literally almost everytthing they do... They are "big government" (controlling people with lots of rules that carry with it violent threats).. as opposed to small government (minimizing how often they make rules or exert control).
The only difference is the left is fascist-left, they make laws that force you to sacrafice your own individual freedoms for the greater good, or get a gun pointed at you and jail time. The right is fascist-right, they too make laws that force by threat of violence as the norm.. but in their case their laws simply focus on personal freedom even if it is at the expense of the collective good..
Authoritarianism doesn't seem too much different between the two... which is at the heart of fascism.
@louisrcouture To be care... I should say "Personal freedom of Americans"... they dont care about personal freedoms of anyone else of course.
@freemo so rules are facist? Is it facism if the state won't let me sell alcoholic drinks made with orange juice and rubber alcohol? Is it facism if the state won't let me drive at 120kph in a school zones? What about carrying an AK47 to the store, or asking people to wear a mask to protect everyone against a deadly virus ?
> so rules are facist?
No, In my earlier post I explained exactly what sort of rule is fascist and what isnt... I made this clear and I know your a smart guy, but that means you just applied reductivism in bad faith in an attempt to argue in an intellectually dishonest way... Dont do that, you are better than that.
Rules that are
1) Having lots of them is more authoritative than trying to have the bare minimum needed... Having rules isnt authoritative, but when you feel you need to make rules for **everything** then it is more authoritative than a party which tries to find social solutions
2) When those rules carry with them harsh penalties they become more authoritative also.. Both the democrats and republicans right now support the death penalty for example. So both are very much authoritative in the severity they are willing to attach to their rules as well.
> Is it facism if the state won't let me sell alcoholic drinks made with orange juice and rubber alcohol?
That would be more authoritative (and thus more fascist) than a government that had no rule around that.
That said I never claimed all authoritative rules, are wrong.. There is a reasonable level of authoritarianism which is acceptable, and there is a qty that isnt. Where botht he democrats and republicans are the level of authoratarianism they exhibit is unacceptable.
Not to mention both the parties int he USA support hte idea than prison should be a punishment.. So we put people away for decades with hte intent of them suffering in prison... So yes both sides are very fascist as this is the norm consequence for every law.
Other countries (not all) prison is seen as rehabilitation. Those countries are far less fascist.
@freemo @louisrcouture Prison was originally for restitution (actually paying back the theft) - which is rehabilitative. Somehow that morphed into punishment. Probably because of morphing the death penalty for murder into prison time.
Authoritarianism doesn’t seem too much different between the two… which is at the heart of fascism.
Yes but I think there needs to be private sector cooperation with authoritarian activities in order to call someone a legitimate modern fascist. I think #JacindaArdern and #RonDesantis are good examples of this.
Why is it only authoritarian if it comes from corperations? So if you have a communistic society where no corperations exist, all just the government.. communism cant be authoritative? That doesnt track.
So if you have a communistic society where no corperations exist, all just the government
I do think that would be fascism too. Fascism usually has the state take over private enterprises, or force them to do what they want, which aren’t effectually that much different from each other.
I think you are confusing specific examples of facism vs facism as a concept (which can take any form)... The definition of facism is:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
@freemo @louisrcouture I see. That’s what I get for getting my definition of fascism from #Wikipedia!
Yea dictionaries are usually better as wikipedia isnt trying to define a word, its trying to explain its history, which are slightly different things.
@freemo facism is not when government does a thing you don't like