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Two war crimes don't make a right...
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-war-crimes-palestinians/
@freemo its an unbelievable shit what people do to each other because of religion.
What they are doing to eachother has very little to do with religion, even though it may appear that way ont he surface.
@freemo from outside its about ministers walking to religious places and dissing others while smiling into tv cameras. Complete population with one belief hacks on the other popularion with different belief. One population takes the space of the other and thats a problem because they have different beliefs. If they were the same nothing would happen. What other reasons do you see?
@generationX It has little to nothing to do with religion.. Many on both sides are non-religious and they have just as much hate for the other side. You will not find that the hate is in any way concentrated among the religious over there.
The reasons are quite obvious.. because the other side killed their friend and family, nothing more, nothing less... so now they want them dead in return.
Even the start of it had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with a country being occupied by another, and that occupation was not one related to religion (it was about relocating them post nazis since so many were displaced).
@freemo that "the other side killed their friend" is a good point. And the relocation after Nazi defeat as well. But the root cause of hatred is religion. Sorry but Im really biased in that direction.
If you think the root cause of all hatred is religion then yea, I dont think your going to be able to approach this discussing in a objective way obviously.
I mean it doesnt add up, if that were true we wouldnt have so many hateful atheists, in fact atheists wouldnt demonstrate hate at all. But they do.
@freemo you are mixing necessity and sufficiency in your conclusion about atheists. And by the way I don't know many hateful of them. I never heard of atheists occupying a country and killing non atheists living there.
@generationX You will have to explain how you feel i am confusing those two in my conclusion, because I dont see it.
And **you** may not know many of them that are hateful, but that is your biases at work, not reality. There is no shortage of hateful atheists.
@freemo my statement was that religion is found almost necessarily in most conflicts. And your conclusion is that there is only hate with religion.
Thats silly we know the religion is not the only reason for hate. I also reject your try to absolutise or exaggerate my words just for the sake of **your** objective view.
You are the one who made the argument, I was using it as an axiom.. you asserted:
But the root cause of hatred is religion
I was disproving that it was the root cause of hatred by showing examples of hatred where religion is not involved as a cause, and therefore is not the root cause of all hatred.
Seems you were trying to say something other than what you said.
@freemo you came up with the idea of "valid for all cases" and then inverted it. Of cause thats not true.
@freemo yes, I assserted this for most cases but not for all cases. Its almost sufficient bit not necessary.