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Hahaha, if this is an hourly worker and he isnt paying overtime this is a completely valid response :) lol
@freemo @georgetakei Nah, it's valid no matter what kind of worker they are. The idea that we should be emotionally loyal to employers is patently absurd.
Salaried employees are expected to make a fix amount no matter how much they are paid. That is the bargain.
@freemo @georgetakei That doesn't mean that they're obligated to have some sort of greater commitment to their job outside of their assigned duties.
Company loyalty is for suckers.
They literally get that back in equal measure. While a salaried empl,oyee doesnt have fixed hours or an hourly rate, and may be expected to work extra hours for free, they also get paid time off. When they take a day or even a whole month off they still get their full pay. It works both ways.
So an equivalent time exchange... isn't an equivalent exchange in bodily damages. And the money is far from enough to compensate. (Nevermind that for many damaged organs one quite simply cannot buy a replacement for any amount of money.)
More to the point, there is no (reasonable) expectation of loyalty from an employer (layoffs purely for investment figures are commonplace), so why should any of the employees provide such a thing to the employer?
> Hardly, not all moments in one's life are equal and the strain on one's body from accumulated overtime and stress is greater than the relief of a similar amount of time of rest.
If that is true for **you** then dont take a salaried position, and make sure to take a job that doesnt involve overtime. For many of us the opposit eis true. Working overtime for extended periods and then have longer periods of time off to compensate is FAR more relaxing than working every day on a 9-5.
You do you, but dont act like **financially** speaking it doesnt work both ways.
> So an equivalent time exchange... isn't an equivalent exchange in bodily damages. And the money is far from enough to compensate. (Nevermind that for many damaged organs one quite simply cannot buy a replacement for any amount of money.)
Then work hourly and not salary if you feel that way.
> More to the point, there is no (reasonable) expectation of loyalty from an employer (layoffs purely for investment figures are commonplace), so why should any of the employees provide such a thing to the employer?
Who said anything about loyalty. The equivelant of not being able to layoff people would be saying employees cant quit. Loyalty is not expected from eithe rside.
> Who said anything about loyalty. The equivelant of not being able to layoff people would be saying employees cant
quit. Loyalty is not expected from eithe rside.
The vast majority of people would a lot more hard-pressed to quit their job on a whim without ending-up with significant problems than their employer would be in laying them off. The power relationship is *very* strongly skewed here.
As for the earlier statement I made, it is true both for chronic work-acquired injuries and for accumulated organ-damage from stress. The perceived relaxation doesn't indicate rest remotely approaching that sufficient to compensate.
The heart itself cannot cope with all that much sleep deprivation and stress in a short period (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi). Unsustainable high-effort isn't sustainable, that's simply not how human bodies work.
That's not to say 9-5 is exactly healthy either, because it isn't.
True but irrelevant. No one is suggesting a person do 40 hours worth of work in 5 minutes. I'd also be very curious to hear how that would even be possible.
Kinda obsurd we went from "yea a salary worker might occasionally need to do work outside of 9-5" to "oh my god is he working constantly and going to die from lack of sleep and his organs will shut down!"... lets stop being absurd.
@freemo @lispi314 @georgetakei such a romantic view of what it's like to be a salaried employee. Believe it or not, at good companies, even the salaried employees get to have personal lives without having to use their PTO.
Thats a weird way of agreeing with me while trying to sound like you didnt.
No one is claiming they dont "get to have personal lives", only that your job has flexible hours and your personal life gets the same flexibility. And no at a good company there is no such thing as "using PTO".. at good companies when you work late one day as a salaried employer you can come in late the next or even take a day off. And no when you do it wont count against your PTO in fact you probably dont even have a fixed PTO, you take off what you want within reason.
