Execution by gass in the US today
I remember some evil humans doing the same in the last World War
Talking about sinking to a new low
Execution by gass in the US today
I meant: "The United States of Germany" sorry
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Is your objection to execution by gas, or execution at all?
I agree that the death penalty is wrong. But if you are going to have the death penalty gas is probably the most humane way to do it.
Well we certainly agree that execution is bad,..
But how is gas worse simply for being a "nazi thing"... wouldnt using another method where people suffer more but its not a "nazi thing" be far worse? Like are we really prioritizing morality by association over actual morality based on suffering?
@freemo Nicee!
Well, it's about the method in general
I'm sure a toxic cocktail or pills or whatever must be a much humane method but not gass
When a government executes prisoners it's not a developed country
> I'm sure a toxic cocktail or pills or whatever must be a much humane method but not gass
What? No, thats a horrible way to die. It takes hours, you get sick, you throw up, you have time to feel the effects... god that sounds like torture.
Nothing personal but this is why toxic identity politics is so bad... caring more about associations and how something looks to the point of torturing people to kill them rather than the humane way to do it simply cause "the nazis did it that way" is just, self destructive way to reason about the world.
No no no, please, dont use that logic ever again im begging you.
@stux You have to see the harm.. you just suggested a method of effectively torturing people to death instead of using gas simply because gas is associated with nazis, you completely abandoned suffering as a top concern because you followed the logic of "Hitler liked birthday cake so birthday cake is bad" (just the more emotional variant of that argument).
@freemo
You argue based on false premises.
"Veterinarians in the US and across Europe have ruled out nitrogen as a euthanasia method for most animals other than pigs. Laboratory studies have shown it can cause distress in many species and scientists largely recommend against it on ethical grounds."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/24/supreme-court-nitrogen-gas-execution-case
Humans should not kill. It's called civilization.
@stux
They arent criminals, since its legal. But I think what you mean is immoral or perhaps a murderer, If that is what you meant then we agree, yes, an executioner is a immoral murderer.
The court system has to find guilt or innocence. It gets it right most of the time. When it does not, most of those people are pretty bad news as well.
I have more faith in our forensics-based courts than those which rely on witness statements, which seem to be the cause of false convictions almost entirely.
A friend of mine commited suicide on nitrogen gas. I can say, with remorse, I have witnessed a man die on it once. It was evident to me this was one of the most peaceful ways to die.
If you want to argue that nitrogen is a stressful way to die, please post the study, news articles are not valid sources of scientific opinion (in fact they are quite bad)
Thats exactly my point, as someone highly trained in breathing in nitrogen rich environments and someone who watched someone die from it, I can tell you it is clearly one of the most humane ways to go.
Thats why this guys post about it being inhumane is highly questionable, especially the blurb about "many scientists" without an actual study to back it up.
@freemo yikes