Ik heb hier nooit Nederlandse cijfers over gezien. Maar het kan bijna niet anders dan dat ook in Nederland patienten Covid oplopen in het ziekenhuis en daardoor overlijden.

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abc.net.au/news/2024-02-11/pat

Bij de Australische NOS mag wel gezegd worden dat FFP2/FFP3 veel beter werkt dan andere mondkapjes.

"As one study found, well-fitted N95 respirators are 75 times more effective than surgical masks when both an infectious person and a susceptible person wear them."

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Ook mag hard op gezegd worden dat Covid geen griepje is.

"Of course, evidence clearly shows COVID is nothing like a cold, particularly for hospital patients who are at higher risk of severe illness and death. .. more than one in 10 confirmed or suspected to have died as a result of their infection. "

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@ABScientist The bulk of cases can feel very cold like actually. But you are of course perfectly correct in saying that the more severe cases are not at all like a cold and can get quite serious.

@freemo @ABScientist cold-like still isn't a cold. The symptoms your immune system produces are not the same as what the virus is doing inside your body. It's very common for acute HIV symptoms, for instance, to present as a cold

@currentbias

Cold-like is literally a cold.

You need to understand infection diseases are **not** defined by the viruses that cause them (usually) they are defined by how they present. You diagnose a cold by your symptoms, if you have the symtpoms you have a cold, that is true no matter what virus happens to be causing it. In fact a cold is causes by so many different viruses that it doesnt even stick to a single family... You can literally have one of any of a thousand different viruses and they are all colds, not just cold-like but actual colds.

@ABScientist

@freemo @currentbias

But would you classify HIV as a flu, just because it give flu-like symptoms (initially)?

Many virus infections have delayed health effects. Post-polio, brain inflammation years after measles, HPV-cancer, EBV-MS.

But we seem to have a tendency only to look at the acute stage.

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@ABScientist

No you are talking about flus now, not colds. Flus are caused by specific viruses within a specific class (Influenza)... Colds are not, colds (not cold-like, actual colds) are caused by at least 4 different families of viruses all with many hundreds of strains.

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@freemo @currentbias

"Stage 1: Acute HIV Infection
Within 2 to 4 weeks after infection with HIV, about two-thirds of people will have a flu-like illness. This is the body’s natural response to HIV infection."

So one-thirds does not have any symptoms at all.

hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/ab

@ABScientist

Ok, and, you arent talking about colds, you are talking about flus... flus are defined by the =viruses that cause them, Colds are not.. its like saying "SARS-2 causes inflamation" and then saying "No it doesnt it causes COVID!".. the response is nonsensical as it can cause a lot of things...

@currentbias

@freemo @ABScientist I should have been more accurate. "Colds" don't exist. Infections that seem to confine themselves to the respiratory system do, and covid isn't one of them

@currentbias

Oh, well in that case your just wrong. Colds obviously do exist. They are caused by infections in the respiratory system for sure. But they very muich exist.

@ABScientist

@freemo @ABScientist I've gotten us lost down a useless semantic rabbit hole. The reply of yours I originally replied to was perfectly accurate upon second reading

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