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@aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social
> Even if you don't include america.
Agreed, I am not including america here specifically. I am speaking of capitalism as a whole (which would include the whole of the EU, the UK and the overwhelming majority of countries world-wide).
> Capitalism in every conception creates inequality.
It doesnt create inequality, it fairly rewards people for the amount of utility they give to society. Since people give utility to society unequally, this means people are **fairly** rewarded and those rewards are unequal.
Capitalism (when healthy) provides equity (fairness) not equality (everyone event) which is exactly how it should be!
> Not just in the context of incom [sic] But in the context of access to resources.
Agreed, and this is a good thing. People who provide more utility to society **should** have access to more resources since they have proven to be more effective in converting resources to utility.
Again equity over equality. The bigger issue is if people have the same access to opportunity. In other words, **if** you can demonstrate you provide utility to society will you have the equity of having access to the resources you have demonstrated you earned. A healthy capitalism does just that.
> Even in some of the european countries non-citizens are forced to pay out of pocket for healthcare.
If you can afford healthcare you should be paying for it out of pocket. If you cant society should help you with welfare programs. A capitalism does not preclude social welfare.
> No human should be denied treatment.
Agreed, and when a capitalist government provides healthcare to those who cant afford it, they are still a capitalist country. Capitalism is not mutually exclusive with social welfare.
> The market decides your worth, which is arbitrary and non-sensical.
No it doesnt. It defines your access to resources, and it isnt arbitrary, it is based on the utility you provide to society (in a healthy capitalism).
The fact that you think a persons worth as an individual is synonymous with the resources they have access to is a very concerning POV.
«People who provide more utility to society should have access to more resources since they have proven to be more effective in converting resources to utility.»
Someone who believes this ought to support a very different system from modern-day “capitalism”.
For example, one should support taxing inheritance at 100%, since proof of effectiveness at converting resources to utility is not hereditary.
As I pointed out earlier Capitalism isnt a system. It is a base tenant that can be used in the development of systems. The actually system has tons of nuance and tenants that interact. there is no modern day capitalist system, just lots of different systems of government most of which have tenants of capitalism and social welfare as part of such systems (and other tenants as well).
@aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social @Radical_EgoCom @Vincarsi
@freemo
Yes, of course. I've given an example of a policy position that one should support if one holds to the principle that those «who provide more utility to society should have access to more resources since they have proven to be more effective in converting resources to utility.»
Specifically, a policy that exists in no countries or territories that are commonly called “capitalist”.
It's not a matter of nuance.
@aeleoglyphic @Radical_EgoCom @Vincarsi