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@freemo Hey, I'm one of those folks. There was a pretty big difference between his campaigning/debating skills in 2020 vs 2024, which is what led us to change our minds. He's just not the man he was.
And yet, I had no trouble seeing the obvious dementia in 2020 and was clearly correct. The only difference is the dementia progressed to the point that it got worse and at a certain point no amount of denial will get you through it.
But the fact is, reflect on that. Clearly people were screaming he had dementia, the fact that you didnt think he did and it turned out he did suggests perhaps you were blinded to the truth and couldnt see what was obvious to everyone else.
The real takeaway here is if you couldnt even tell a person with severe rapid onset dementia has a problem, what other issues are you unable to see due to biases? Perhaps you should rethink how harshly you criticize someones opinion of your candidate as well if you were blocking people who said that.
@trinsec Werent you one of the ones who were pretty adamant about him not having dementia. I mean you didnt block and were always polite about it. But I do remember you arguing pretty strongly you didnt see any signs of dementia no?
I'm curious now that the party itself has dropped him due to it, have you changed your mind?
@freemo@qoto.org @louis@ingenthron.social Huh, what? I don't recall. Was it a convo of like 4 years ago? If so, he wasn't that bad back then. He was fairly functional for a long while.
He might have accelerated dementia now, it can come on rather fast. It sucks. People get stubborn and self-defensive when they feel they get attacked due to forgetfulness, it's part of that disease. It's only going to get worse, I feel for his family.
Now look at Trump, he's clearly showing signs of dementia for a long while now and people still worship him. :P
Yes this would have been 4 years ago. You argued he didnt appear to have dementia, I claimed he did. While he may have been more functional you must admit you were incorrect in your assesment he didnt have dementia.
My argument was not that his dementia at the time made him unfit but it was rapidly progressing and thus unfit for a 4 year term, which was true, and at the time you defended against.
Trump shows signs of stupidity, but no he doesnt show signs of dementia of anykind, just plain old idiocy.
@freemo @trinsec To be fair, you don't know for sure he had it back then (or even now), either. Not unless you're a certified mental health professional who has had enough sessions with him to make that call. All we know for a fact is that he's not as sharp as he was, even just a few years ago. Alzheimer's is certainly a plausible explanation for the symptoms, but it's not definitive.
To be fair, you don’t know for sure he had it back then (or even now), either. Not unless you’re a certified mental health professional who has had enough sessions with him to make that call.
Apparently not, because I knew for sure he had it, and was right. In fact I have a 100% accurate track record in identifying people with dementia. So the idea that I would need to be a doctor and have many sessions with him to know for sure clearly isnt true since I have shown a near perfect accuracy in the past.
Dementia is easy to diagnose. What isnt easy to diagnose (and what i made no attempt to do) is what kind of dementia he has. In retrospec we can speculate even on that given the rapid onset (its likely lewy-body), but yea the specific form would need some tests. But to just say he has dementia, that is pretty trivial and not a hard call to make, like at all.
Wouldnt you say that depends on what your diagnosing? There are plenty of things that are pretty trivial to diagnose at a glance. Classical Down Syndrom for example would be pretty trivial to diagnose.
As someone who has worked deeply int he medical field you come to realize what things are very obvious to spot and which things are more subtle. His dementia wasnt even remotely subtle.
@freemo @trinsec Well, pregnancy should be one of the most obvious long-term medical diagnoses that could be made by a layman, and there are still endless stories of people fucking that up to the point where it's become a sitcom trope.
I think if you say "he likely has dementia", then you're safe, but as soon as you make a declarative statement of fact, you're on much shakier ground. For all you know, it's entirely possible that he's been severely sleep deprived for every TV appearance.
I'd argue pregnancy is actually not something you can very easily diagnose at all. Its quite hard to distinguish a pregnant woman you dont know with an overweight woman you dont know.
So that seems like a moot argument, Imean there is no doubt things you cant diagnose very easily at a glance, and pregnancy is one of them. But a trained eye can pick up dementia a mile away, as I said the only thing you cant tell is the form.
> I think if you say "he likely has dementia", then you're safe, but as soon as you make a declarative statement of fact, you're on much shakier ground.
There is no magical distinction between "I think" and "it is a fact that..." the only real difference is the level of confidence you have. His dementia was **obvious** and dementia doesnt look remotely like sleep deprivation, sleep deprivation doesnt cause muscular rigidity for example or the same pattern of coordination issues that arise in dementia patients.
For example the famous "Biden is a toddler pooping himself" clip (attached) shows very distinctive dementia characteristics that were present very early on.
