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@freemo Hey, I'm one of those folks. There was a pretty big difference between his campaigning/debating skills in 2020 vs 2024, which is what led us to change our minds. He's just not the man he was.
And yet, I had no trouble seeing the obvious dementia in 2020 and was clearly correct. The only difference is the dementia progressed to the point that it got worse and at a certain point no amount of denial will get you through it.
But the fact is, reflect on that. Clearly people were screaming he had dementia, the fact that you didnt think he did and it turned out he did suggests perhaps you were blinded to the truth and couldnt see what was obvious to everyone else.
The real takeaway here is if you couldnt even tell a person with severe rapid onset dementia has a problem, what other issues are you unable to see due to biases? Perhaps you should rethink how harshly you criticize someones opinion of your candidate as well if you were blocking people who said that.
@trinsec Werent you one of the ones who were pretty adamant about him not having dementia. I mean you didnt block and were always polite about it. But I do remember you arguing pretty strongly you didnt see any signs of dementia no?
I'm curious now that the party itself has dropped him due to it, have you changed your mind?
@freemo@qoto.org @louis@ingenthron.social Huh, what? I don't recall. Was it a convo of like 4 years ago? If so, he wasn't that bad back then. He was fairly functional for a long while.
He might have accelerated dementia now, it can come on rather fast. It sucks. People get stubborn and self-defensive when they feel they get attacked due to forgetfulness, it's part of that disease. It's only going to get worse, I feel for his family.
Now look at Trump, he's clearly showing signs of dementia for a long while now and people still worship him. :P
Yes this would have been 4 years ago. You argued he didnt appear to have dementia, I claimed he did. While he may have been more functional you must admit you were incorrect in your assesment he didnt have dementia.
My argument was not that his dementia at the time made him unfit but it was rapidly progressing and thus unfit for a 4 year term, which was true, and at the time you defended against.
Trump shows signs of stupidity, but no he doesnt show signs of dementia of anykind, just plain old idiocy.
@freemo@qoto.org @louis@ingenthron.social Wait, 'you must admit'? Do you have actual proof then that he did have dementia 4 years ago? :P
And even if he'd have dementia 4 years ago, who's to say that it was rapidly progressing at that time?
Meh, don't make assumptions.
The proof would be that he has dementia now and that dementia takes at least 4 or 5 years to progress to this point. So if he has dementia now he most certainly had it then.
Are you arguing he didnt have dementia then and I was wrong and he just suddenly developed it recently and the two are unrelated? That seems like some mental gymnastics honestly.
And we can say it was rapidly progressing at the time because we can see how severe it is now 4 years later. The only dementia that sets in that quickly or faster is mad cow disease form (months)... but in his case progressing this far in 4 years would count as the second fastest progressing type (lewy body demntia) at least. so yea, absolutely rapidly progressing.
Being certain of something or asserting it as fact is not the same as saying every possible explanation no matter how unlikely is considered. I mean I also cant prove we arent sitting int he matrix and Biden isnt some sort of computer program.
When we assert certainty, even a doctor, we do so "beyond a reasonable doubt". I am certain "beyond a reasonable doubt" he had dementia, and I turned out to be correct. Does that mean there isnt a 0.000001% chance it is something else... sure, but no one talks like that. Nothing in life is ever certain without any possibility of doubt of any kind. But once it is past a certain threshold we talk and interact as if it is an absolute fact, as well we should.
Whats more important to me is my track record.. When i have high confidence does the percentage of times i turn out to be right match my confidence. If so, it is well founded.
Good point. Regardless of anything else the man was walking around trying to shake hands with people that werent there and the democrats were going "seems fine to me!"
@freemo @trinsec Are you certain that you're aware of every other possible medical explanation for the symptoms you've seen and have thoroughly and systematically eliminated them? Without ever having met the patient in person?
This feels very much like that parable of the blinded man who felt an elephant's leg and declared confidently that it was the trunk of a tree.