The irony of this interaction is this is the first time I saw a democrat disagree with me and not throw a fit and get toxic and start blocking. It actually had me sitting here second guessing if there might be a few good ones.... then she blocked me... The irony is she would have done more to change my mind otherwise and threw away any positive effect she had in the end.
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@freemo Lol, what? I disagree with you all the time. And I've been a registered member of the party since January 7th 2021.
(Also, she makes good points)
Thats fair, in fact I had suspected when I wrote that you'd fall into the one exception I can actually think of outside of personal friends.
But I was mostly thinking in terms of strangers rather than people i had met and intracted with before discussing politics.
@freemo Yeah, also I think we've had that exact same argument you linked above before 😄
@louis ITs a fairly common argument when people come in with the two-party nonsense
@freemo True, but many of your arguments fall apart with Oliver, since supporting him is also somehow supporting a party that actively hates him and almost everything he stands for.
When did I state that was my issue with the democrats. My issue with the democrats is who they ellect, I couldnt care less about their opinions beyond that. Same for the blue, when I first became old enough to vote was the Obama election. I voted for Obama and when he murdered that 16 year old us citizen with no due process I deeply regreted my choice. That was the last time I ever voted blue.
I stopped voting for the democrats first and foremost due to the evil nature of every single candidate they ever bring forward as a candidate. Secondarily I stopped because of the behavior of the members of the public who consider themselves party supporters and how they treat others, which is deplorable.
@freemo Yeah, I was referring more in the context of your claim in the above linked thread:
> two ways your individual vote makes a difference 1) if it changes the numbers enough as to make people think int he future something (like a third party win) is more possible
In that sense, supporting Oliver would have the expected effect of bolstering the LP, despite the LP basically being MAGA at this point.
FWIW, I'm a big fan of Oliver himself too. I'd vote for him if he stood a real chance.
> In that sense, supporting Oliver would have the expected effect of bolstering the LP, despite the LP basically being MAGA at this point.
Huh, no if a third party gets a larger vote then the two main parties get a smaller one. Trump's % support would go **down** not up by voting for anyone that isnt trump.
@louis I havent seen any attacks from the LP leadership itself on chase. Though that said I dont doubt there are some members that do that. Again I vote for the quality of candidate based on their actions, I dont vote for parties.
I am against the red and blue parties simply because they are so far gone they have no home of ever presenting me with a candidate that I could ever vote for and not loose sleep. But if Chase Oliver happened to be the democratic choice id still vote for him.
@freemo Okay, so let me ask you this: What exactly do you wish to accomplish by casting your vote for Chase Oliver?
I wish to accomplish a few things.
1) To never feel responsible again for the murder of an innocent like I did for voting for Obama.
2) to show increased numbers of support for third-party candidates so people will feel they are a more viable option in the future.
#1 is the big one though, a vote is me giving power to someone or something, which makes me responsible for the consequences of such a decision.
@freemo Also, sidebar: The Libertarian Party is run by traaaash now. Here's receipts:
The leader of the party has endorse Oliver... but only to help get Trump elected: https://mastodon.social/@fakertarians/112554694716492550
Here is, recently, the leader of the party endorsing three different Republicans for president: https://mastodon.social/@fakertarians/112809550717188574
And, most egregiously, here is the CA branch of the party's leading caucus posting that "Chase fucks kids" before claiming to be hacked: https://mastodon.social/@fakertarians/112847954647925722
Like I said, I vote for the best person on the ballot, I dont vote for parties. My vote would be the same if Chase was a democrat or an independent.
@freemo Maybe I was unclear. I'm saying that the LP's leadership has the same values and ethos as Trump's GOP. Hence why they're smearing their own candidate for being gay. So, voting for the LP pushes MAGA ideals because the LP espouses MAGA ideals since the Mises takeover.