@WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

I'm hoping for Walz - but I'll vote for Harris even if she picked a pet rock for VP

The alternative is disastrous for the US and the World. It's so obvious - yet so many people have been conned/fooled, or are just happy voting GOP because they share the same ugly traits as their grifting leader.

@CoachMark

I cant in good conscious support a party that is pro-genocide. Never mind Harris's horrible history of women's and trans rights.

I plan to vote for the good guy (shocker I know)... chase oliver is my top pick for the moment. Green party's Stein might get my vote if i change my mind.

I just cant imagine anyone supporting the level of evil the democrats and republicans have demonstrated, not to mention incompetence.

@WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

In a majoritarian, first-past-the-post voting system, you’re not at all voting FOR a 3rd party candidate. Use your thinker. If you want to change things, change the voting system itself.

@godofbiscuits

There are 40 countries that ellect with FPTP and I dont know of one of them that claims a two-party system. So that is a bit of a myth that is easily enough debunked.

The 2 majority parties have also been replaced by a new major party 8 times in the history of the USA. We even within the USA we know we arent locked in to two parties.

@CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews when was the last time a POTUS was voted in who wasn’t one of the 2 at-the-time-current majority parties?

@godofbiscuits

The 8 times I was talking about was specifically the presidential election. Moreover not only did a third party win, but in every case except for one the third party became the new majority party and the majority party that lost went out of existance. So 8 times.

The fact that it hasnt happened recently should tell you that it has nothing to do with FPTP (since we had that for our whole history and had 8 transitions) but rather something more recent to blame.

@CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews so each was on its way already to becoming a majority party and entrenching itself. Gotcha. And WHEN was the last one?

My only point was that THIS election, a 3rd party vote is nothing but a not-D and not-R vote, because there is no 3rd party groundswell.

Maybe you’ll luck out and get a political quake with a 3rd party rushing to the fore again, which most likely would be the MAGA party, as separate from the GOP. Would you like that?

@godofbiscuits @freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

Hello. In ALL American elections, "third party" "protest" votes are empty. They do nothing substantive.

Had we a parliamentary system, they could be used with good effect to build other parties.

That is not our system.

And, a reminder: ALL ELECTIONS for the next 50 years are going to be about unseating Fascists & electing w/#ProDemocracy candidates.

@beccanalia

> Hello. In ALL American elections, "third party" "protest" votes are empty. They do nothing substantive.

A common, but very much inaccurate myth. They arent protest votes, they are votes for the best choice, nothing more, nothing less.

Second, there is no rational argument to claim a vote for someone who happens to win, when your vote does not decide/swing the result, somehow has more value than a vote for someone who looses. Since in both cases your vote didnt change the result, there is no argument either vote has more value than the other.

That said there **is** an argument for value for a third party vote, and that value exists regardless of who wins (as I explained earlier in the thread). So there is a very clear argument for a third party vote.

@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews