@CoachMark @freemo @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews The same Stein that's in Putin's pocket?

@Burnt_Veggies

Thats why I said Chase Oliver is my first choice.. Stein would be a compromise at best... basically anything is better then Harris vs Trump.

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@freemo @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

The "compromise" would choose the middle ground between democracy or fascism.

Erm, what would that be? Who would that be? How would they even get there???

@gfjacobs

Right, which is what I am doing. Harris and Trump represent fascism, and while Chase Oliver isnt perfect he is a good compromise between freedom and fascism.

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@freemo @gfjacobs

Please explain to me two things.

First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?

Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.

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@joeinwynnewood

> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?

Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.

So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).

So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.

> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.

In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.

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@freemo @gfjacobs

"In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party."

Also a flat out lie.

There is a cacophony of voices within the Democratic Party who argue incessantly over all manner of policy and governance, from Cori Bush to Joe Manchin.

If your goal is to harm the party, you're not going to get much of a welcome, nor should you expect otherwise.

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@joeinwynnewood

Thats the kind of bias I expect. I didnt really expect you to get past this point, its soo subjective to have a chance.

If thats really how you feel im not even going to touch that one. It comes across as just too far gone to be able to reason with in terms of bias.

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@freemo @gfjacobs

What a load of crap.

I said nothing of how I "feel".

Is Cori Bush not part of the Democratic caucus in the US House and Joe Manchin in the US Senate?

Facts certainly can be hard to argue against.

Past my bed time. I'll see if you come up with anything worth responding to in the morning.

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@joeinwynnewood

As I said, I have no interest in debating this assertion of yours. Take a hint.

You did a great job at proving one thing though, the toxicity of the democratic party to criticism is very much alive and well I see.

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@freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies

My assertion? My statement of facts that you don't want to debate because there's no debating facts.

There's nothing toxic about calling out lies and bullshit. What's toxic is letting lies and bullshit stand unchallenged.

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@joeinwynnewood

Whatever the reason, for the third time, not interested in debating it.

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@freemo @gfjacobs

Must be tough to not be able to defend your bluster.

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@joeinwynnewood @freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

I want Kamala Harris to be the Republican candidate, so I can vote for the Democratic Socialist on the left with broad support and a realistic plan to decarbonize the economy in their first 100 days. I also want ranked-choice voting, a cure for baldness and pet pony. But I don't live in that world. So I'll vote for Harris and the Democratic coalition, because it's my best nudge that direction.

@HalfHeartedFanatic

I applaud your realism.

May I ask what you've done/are doing to move things in a direction where a Democratic Socialist could be someone with broad support?

PS How close do you think Tim Walz is to that "ideal"?

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