@chu they've normalized kids getting shot to death in math class, there's no limit
Doc Freemo 
@AlexanderVI Your chance of getting struck by lightening in your life is x2 higher than your chance of dieing in a school shooting in your lifetime. No one normalized kids getting shot, it is such a rare event it has never been a "nornal" thing, tragic yes, but exceedingly rare with literally every other threat being bigger than it.
Absolutely, just as all kids should be taught proper gun handling and safety.
But in both cases neither child or parent should live in fear of lightening or school shootings as both are exceedingly rare.
@freemo @Impish4249 @AlexanderVI do you know the meaning of "preventable"?
Ligthning isn't.
School shootings are.
Measles is.
@pgcd @Impish4249 @AlexanderVI
All of those examples are preventable, and when did I say they weren't or shouldn't be prevented. In fact it's so easy to prevent by simply having good access to mental health it is crazy we haven't bothered to prevent it and should.
What I pointed out is that if it is something you live in fear of, like being struck by lightening, then that is simply an irrational fear due to its extreme rarity.
No, sorry.
Lightning is not preventable - its consequences can be mitigated or prevented somewhat, but it can still happen and we can do *absolutely nothing* about it.
On the other hand, school shootings and measles are *entirely preventable*. How many school shootings have been last year in, say, Netherlands? How many children dead by measles?
"Living in fear" of one would be irrational. Demanding that they're prevented is absolutely rational and healthy.
Simply false. Lightening rods prevent lightening. More of them prevent more of it. It is entirely preventable just like gun violence is preventable with proper investment in mental health infrastructure, education, and economy. And just as measles are preventable with vaccines.
@freemo
Are you listening to yourself? You made "kid getting shot in class" (something that in most places is so rare to happen less than once in a decade) almost as common as being struck by lighting (which is not as rare of an event) and you sound creepily proud of it. 
I didn't make anything happen, reality did that, I'm just pointing it out. And no, it isn't almost as common as being struck by lightening, not even close, lightening is 2x MORE common.
@freemo
True. It is a simple fact of reality that school shootings are as inevitable and inescapable as lightning strikes. And that's why they happen in the USA with much greater frequency than anywhere else in the world. They're like tornadoes, or Taco Bellses.
@j_bertolotti @AlexanderVI
I've lived my whole life in the USA and never once been in or around a shooting, let alone a mass shooting Only time I ever experienced a mass shooting was in the Netherlands.
But yea, I totally agree, they are absolutely preventable, exceedingly rare, more rare than lightening strikes but preventable. I never said anything to suggest they are. IF the USA had even a fraction of the mental health access and education most of Europe has shootings would be nearly non existent. By all means we should get those things and end shootings.
That said, the point still stands, if you are living in fear of shootings when they are half as common as being struck by lightening, then your fear is directed in the wrong places.
Also to be clear neither lightening nor school shootings are unpreventable. Lightening can be prevented with lightening rods. Since lightening is x2 more common we should be investing in more lightening rods before spending money or more rare events, based on that logic. Personally I'm all for addressing the mental health issue as it will fix more problems than **just** school shootings.
@freemo @AlexanderVI I call bullshit on that, the lightning mortality rate is calculated on the whole population, whereas you should take the population in schools (students and teachers/staff) to calculate it. Let’s say 10% of the USA pop is in school on average to make the maths easy: that would give a person in school 10x the chance of being shot vs being hit by lightning. And as others have noted, it easily preventable, as every other country on the planet demonstrates.
When did I say anything about the mortality with regards to lightening. Read what I said before "calling bullshit". I compared being **struck** by lightening (since it's a well known extremely rare event). Said nothing about being killed by it
And yes school shootings are absolutely preventable I agree. By having reasonable access to mental health it can be easily avoided and we absolutely should. I never said it shouldn't be avoided only that focusing on it as a point of fear, given its extreme rarity is silly
@freemo @AlexanderVI I too am extremely cool with being hit by lightning
Huh? Who said anything like that? If your gonna try to be toxic at least try and be relevant to the convo, it works better.
@freemo @AlexanderVI
And yet we all know not to stand under a tree in a thunderstorm.