- Born losers I think do exist... so I mean people who mess things up or mess with things a bit too much need a bit of management BUT that is probably all of us in some way but some more in some obvious ways on the outside than other's who is harder to see how / where imperfection lies

- but the fact you have to WIN over someone else to benefit rather than SHARE / CARE is more the problem I think...

because living with faults is the likely the realistic default rather than pretending to be any kind of normal or standard...

Don't like the idea of leveraging people or putting down people in a bad way to build things by that kind of design....