@chairman_meh Looks like my writing in some of that (not to even compare but just pleasant surprise and I'm not running away from length of text at all!)

I observe from the world and my direct experiences like Into The Wild [Modern Version] that even with almost everything sorted (even some of your / my filters satisfied and achieving) still I need others for my own spirituality

(wow first time I wrote it like that)

So others get this satisfied somewhat but through other ways, like thinking their work colleagues are friends (and find out when they no longer work there that they are more just acquaintances) and other many things that act-as-if people work / respect each other but are not deep or on the same page at all - the same temporary Capitalism template throwing them together for a bit and principles were not improved - apart from being let go from work and *maybe* people learning from that (I say "maybe"!)

What I'm saying is similar to selling us life for us to see that each part fails the same way with money, power etc and gaining us less respect all the while...

But for me it's how to convince others who have it quite good / almost there but no people or friends (since naturally they are all filtered out !)

Needs a lot of imagination by people and determinism to stick with those that look dogdy or act nervous or anti-google or anything against other isms... people who can stick with you for a bit, test you out and and at the end really see you / the principles as the 'best option' for surviving things despite obvious differences along the way..

It's true people that we measurably need - but people often measure wrong...

I measurably can't can't do without humanity and almost need to evangelise (another way of saying "spreading better ways" but seemingly could be seen as a Christian religion or something, again not the principles) so the work now is "how" when all that is seen first and the default start position is that "without Capitalism's work it doesn't work" to get people to believe / have will to increment even a bit with another... go for a ride (literally like in a car but over the internet!)

I don't know how to get a sliding scale towards my reasoned thinking... and maybe I missing something and there is another way... but my own principles stop using almost everything so I'm checkmating myself a bit (but glad for it currently as selling out to help people doesn't work either or we have plenty of people doing that already so I seek a more pure way)...

How about a jitsi audio chat sometime today? I could drop a link - say an hour from now or you could message me 20mins before your ready?

Time to avoid the lies and do it all ourself/ves.