"Technology means constant social revolution."
- Marshall McLuhan #quote
The Mechanical Bride / #MarshallMcLuhan
@prisondoc @freemayonnaise
You might be forgetting that HOW a technology is made predetermines what you said.
So (for example) if I give you money and it's made from other people bad debt IT'S ALREADY BAD. (Let's say just for example the debt interest is terribly bad 50% and not 20% it might be today).
Tech or any invention can be bad when pre-loaded with negativity / negative numbers (debt) literally or with people who don't care (indifferent computers, indifferent people programming them or bosses they work for who collect "tools" and rearrange them for uncaring purposes etc). Going further the Vulture capitalism or even taking over countries for resources is perhaps out of focus for this reply but you could argue it's part of the same uncaring chain.
So you get one big pyramid of "mostly not caring" people or people cut out of decisions WHICH is to mass humans the negative part though it's hard to say if taking metal for tools and resources is bad for that specific child etc.
When you personally get the "tool" or when most STEM people see tools as "neutral" it's far from it when they look at the development of the tool BEFORE it was the final product in shops!
So despite the result of "just a product", for example a drone toy or similar toy / tool / whatever, say definite purpose and investment from many sides. #War and #Play.
Also just the money itself given by government for some tech but not other (e.g. almost no money for political Arts and Cinema and that's why it's dying) is political so you can take really any level here and there's just too much to risk saying the word "neutral" or 'just a tool' when it's ALL been thought about - over many years. What isn't seen is the decision making (even the non-decisions or non-said decisions are decisions).
So ask yourself how kind you think your companies and their governments are and not just a pretend show since WW1/WW2 (did it really change underneath? Hospitals haven't become just another mass-profit machine / hoarding mechanism?)
So almost certainly it was ALL always made for VERY specific reasons and though it's not 100% clear (even less clear in smaller and more-innocent tools) we know near-100% that over time nearly all was thought about constantly and made for governments or industries how they want it. They allow certain tool, regulate and manage how much of each to release, what to incentivize more or less, add rules all the time we don't see or hear about.
If anyone would say "I don't care how it was made" or "I didn't do the bad thing so it's ok" then literally this is ignoring all these important things.
Happy to talk more but the above things needs looking at...
Your second paragraph is the inverse of reality. If some sub-prime morgage scam zillionaire gives me a shovel, the shovel is still a shovel and is neither good nor bad. It can still dig a hole, whack you over the head for being a communist when the bullets run out, or a coat rack where I hang my hat while outdoors.
Everything you've written is muddle AI-tier tl;dr not gonna read more of this shit.
@freemayonnaise @prisondoc Sure, you have to be able to figure and pick some of this out.
Your shovel example is good too because if the zillionaire gives you stuff but some terms and condition with the shovel then you see a lot of giving is like the banks - just expecting to get more in return for that 'free lunch' where you are the dinner.
Usually people want extrat your labour or sell your soul as the clever exchange as time or ignoring whatever monotony / conveyor belt process for almost no good outcomes other than more money as the main and keeping body alive (but not soul).
I think you got the points for the most part and probably quite comfy in life so happy with that.
Turning to you (ad hominem not intended just interesting)
Looking at your coherent parts I wonder what you're constructive about c
P.S
About "The Internet isn't a place..." (in the bio)
Well it's actually a number of places so can be considered a kind of place like "many places with an off switch" which satisfies the yes as your off switch with yes as a place ( static servers and people riding on electricity and electronics ).
@freemayonnaise @prisondoc Yes you're right - but it depends at what level you / we are speaking.
Your level of thinking feeds you badly perhaps more than anyone because it feeds you negatively and allows less space for someone else to call place by it's dictionary definition MANY THINGS! So be careful of language... And although I'm not happy with lots of part of the internet... once you have it ON more than OFF then it does start to get into the realm of 'animated' same as movie recording of you talking to someone 5minutes ago... the film isn't real but the moment for you was, same as calls or text...
I think it can be acceptable in some dictionary sense that you and I think of it as a place (your our home as a place which we transmit more virtually and we through many servers etc - so that mediates the signals from our place(s). Internet cafe as a place (to send signals)... so again variations you can't really escape as surely you're somewhere and surely we are being animate in some crude sense of signals being sense genuinely from all the genuine people. Even going to somewhere virtual is kind of "going" but obviously not physically. So adding "physical place" will serve you better.
Lessons learned:
1/ Careful of language and multi-meaning or even euphemisms / similar expressions
2/ Something on more than off can seem animated and well again in it's meaning, it is animated or reflecting / sending signal of us in many ways genuinely.
3/ Add words too a term or sentence to help ambiguous or multi-used words. "Physical place" we go to as Internet, no you're right it isn't.
I also have a reasonable background in personality psychology and mass communication theory.
You can go on and on and on about how the Internet is this really real place, but it leads to unforced errors of thought. At the end of the day everyone is standing or sitting looking at a screen of an inanimate object. Just because you believe it's a place doesn't make it any more real than people who get lost in role playing fantasy such as D&D and loose a grasp on reality. What you see on the TV or the movie screen don't exist other than flickering of images that simulates the visual cortex in a rough approximation of nature. When you watch The Wizard of Oz, Kansas doesn't exist and the Tin Man isn't just standing out of sight. The Internet is no different. You might like the narratives and the characters or the production values but it doesn't make it a place.
@freemayonnaise @prisondoc
Wait D&D isn't real...
[ I have to control myself now... just a moment..]
ok... but TV - noooo... Come on surely it's MORE real and actors were there in the place one where the signals were being sent? Tell me that's not true!
You're red pilling me a lot here
and I love it!
[Kansas exists - just saying.....
it's a physical place!]
@freemayonnaise @prisondoc
Man you popped my balloon.
But I appreciated the points.
The internet is a technology.
On it, there is a public square.
There is a culture to this because it selects for losers.
Or disingenuous.
Or an incel neckbeard in mom's basement who has never been to a town square.
5G warfare with opt-in glowing lights and buzzers.
But it's free right? They let you eat from their fridge and swim in their pool in this "place" because they are good people.
Only sodomy is true! I love ass!
Apologies to Paul Ledney, the True Master ov Sodomy.
