#DoubleCrux #Game for #Conflict #Resolution in #Relationships and More Productive Debate...
A Strategy for Mutual Understanding [updated Sunday]
Developed by CFAR
(Center for Applied Rationality)
The goal is to simply pin down where exactly two people disagree.
To pragmatically go through the tensions in Truthseeking.
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#Algorithm used:
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1. Find a disagreement with another person
2. Operationalize the disagreement
3. Seek double cruxes
4. Resonate
5. Repeat!
" important is that even when people are "wrong," they are usually partially right "
#Conflict #Resolution in #Relationships = #DoubleCrux #Game
Towards #Collaboration #Cooperation #Reconciliation
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MAIN LINK TO SOURCE
+ MY #NOTES AFTER IN THE REST OF THIS POST
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🔗 1/ https://www.rationality.org/resources/updates/2016/double-crux
[below is the same cross-posted info in case the link above doesn't work and links at the end of this post as extra writing]
🔗 2/ LessWrong [cross-posted from 1/] http://lesswrong.com/lw/o6p/double_crux_a_strategy_for_resolving_disagreement/
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WHAT IS A "CRUX" ?
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A "crux" usually means important point, but in this context it is any fact, if they believed differently about that fact, then they would change their conclusion in the overall disagreement. Each person offers a way to change their mind with something smaller in the disagreement.
A "double-crux" is a crux is a fact for both parties that would help them change their mind.
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█ My own example (I made up) is about Solar Panels "I do not believing they work long term"... "but I'd be convinced if regular people have posted somewhere more concretely their long-term experience or find a manufactured that has tested 1000's of them to see the real rate of failure / life expectancy."
"We can't just trust fairly new technology or Chinese hit-and-miss quality".
Even though there is not much else choice for "solar" or "portable" electricity that's the main thing
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(I did write more in this section below but is really not needed and only as I started thinking deeper about solar panels - you can skip this next part...)
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SO FOR EXTREME CONVINCING I'D NEED SOME MORE METRICS
"I'd feel much better and be convinced a lot more if we could:
✔️ Work out ourselves how much a solar panel costs in oil energy itself
+ time in manufacturing
+ what metals and other materials are in it
+ from where they comes from...
+ facts given in a reliable way -
....then I might be convinced solar panels are not a gimmick or extension of oil !!
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⚠️ WHAT'S MY PROBLEM
WITH THIS METHOD?
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⚠️ MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS IS FINDING SOMEONE WILLING TO DO THIS WITH - MOST OF MY LIFE PEOPLE HAVE SILENTLY AVOIDED AND RESISTED ⚠️
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but.... if you do find someone....
"... that feeling you get when you genuinely change your mind... "
" The idea is to get you and someone you disagree with into a situation such that hopefully one of you will be able to change your mind. It is genuinely one of the most awesome experiences I've ever had... "
- Eric Herboso
https://www.ericherboso.org/2016/01/the-double-crux-game.html
" First, you need a friend who's willing to do this with you. It only works if you're both intellectually honest, willing to change your mind if presented with sufficient evidence, and excited about the progress of getting closer to truth... "
" But even in these "failures", I've found the double crux game to be an immensely rewarding experience, because it usually helps both sides to understand the perspectives of each other much more. "
Pete Michaud points out that you can use the game to resolve cognitive dissonance by examining your internal epistemic rationality, or even to build deep, sustainable caring by playing between the parts of you that thinks some part of the world matters and parts of you that are afraid to look in that direction.
#Conflict #Resolution in #Relationships = #DoubleCrux #Game
Towards #Collaboration #Cooperation #Reconciliation
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DEEPER: ASKING TO BE
CONVINCED
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" In a debate I am challenging the other person for their best arguments, which I probably won't find immediately convincing. However, I can then ask myself "what should be added to their argument that would convince me? "
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OTHER QUOTES SIMILAR
OR USEFUL TO METHOD
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" Ultimately, each move should be in service of reversing the usual antagonistic, warlike, "win at all costs" dynamic of most disagreements.
If we can move the debate to a place where, instead of fighting over the truth, we're collaborating on a search for understanding, then we can recoup a lot of wasted resources.2
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/exa5kmvopeRyfJgCy/double-crux-a-strategy-for-mutual-understanding
- Duncan Sabien
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Tensions in Truthseeking
by Raymond Arnold
https://www.alignmentforum.org/s/aoLetzM8xnBPqKBGj
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The Umbrella Ethic of Good Faith — Nell Watson
The space remained sacred. I knew it had different rules, and did my best to follow them. When I was incorrect, they explained. Use 'I' statements. Things about your own beliefs, your models, your feelings. Things you know to be true. Pay attention to your body, and how it is feeling, where things come from, what they are like. Report it. At one point one participant said they were freaking out. I observed I was freaking out. Someone else said they were not freaking out. I said I thought they were. The first reassured me they thought there was some possibility we'd survive. Based on their prior statements, that was an update. It helped a little.
https://www.nellwatson.com/blog/the-umbrella-ethic-of-good-faith
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What we need is for Sarah to hang out and around people who believe we should value (on every meta level) such thinking MORE, not less.
- Zvi Mowshowitz
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Sarah Constantin who writes up the conversations she's had and some origins around it all... she's interested
Gleanings from Double Crux on “The Craft is Not The Community”
