@adiz @gabriel
If one relates and associates the definition of sin (or most parts of daily sin) as various learning curves and behaviours that need doing better, then mostly sin is also something that can be curved and * almost stopped * ...

BUT...

like my answer about "stopping" Capitalism it's not necessarily something to be stopped at all - more the focus is to ehad towards or more to become / be / do more often as the change AND encourage it.

If good people say nothing or do nothing - this is equally not good and is a kind of sin that puts others in a position that only they can since we are not helping them try find better ways (or believe in Capitalism for justice, for example, direct or indirectly consent / do nothing).

The way we use language for questions or language in general has it's many meanings so also flawed somewhat and to be accepted. How we phrase questions (or receive them) can be different but if we understand somewhat what we mean THEN we can curb it all towards something better (much like curbing from Sin to Good / Better occurrences).

So even my analysis here of "stopping" things might not being 100% as the right word to focus on or to say the intention to "stop" is too forceful AND WE NEED TO ALLOW FOR SIN as part of learning what sin is / it's inseparable) then sin or for example the act of stealing personally NEEDS TO BE HAPPEN in one's lifetime (say for all boys growing up as the more daring half of the human species) - we can't rob / stop them in the need to try various things and know the difference or remember what it feels like.

The experience of self-shame (after the adrenalin / "seeking action") and the reflection after is hat is needed to build character and healthy people.

It all accumulates to build character and learns to throw less stones or shout at someone (to know when it's needed to shout and when not! But not to say 'never shout' or let people walk over you all the time)

To allow things without punishment in healthy way can show understanding and see what happens... Punishment for sin can also be a sin on top of a sin (like a double sin sending someone to cold prison)
I think most would accept boys need to learn when growing up but really even older adults / old boys too with no healthy role models or real contact with men.

IF system and good people allow punishment and not understanding then what do we expect.

A healthier way than punishment is talking circles, talking to real people, other sinners even, resolving crimes (not just paying in time in jail), doing men's circles etc, explaining, saying sorry -

i.e. educate not execute
for first-time offenders or even 2nd / 3rd time offenders - because it's also society that is not doing or setting people in the right environment (Capitalism putting people in corners / ultimatums and then pointing the finger "aha you're the terrorist!... true we took all your land and don't want your culture around but it's you we are sure it's not us!".

Especially if not wilful or if offenders didn't damage much it's also the environment.

A men's circle is still better than being locked up and then released many years later with not much curbing about what happened and why. As the world gets worse too / is given less options to be different....

So... In summary:

Can't separate sin from other words like making mistakes, various experiences of learning, testing things, feeling one's limits etc... even lashing out due to oppressive system or human history / trauma we're going through... and yes even the really bad needs to be given chance and measured / assessment in healing and chances of understanding re-offending is not needed / there is another way.

Call it better teaching / better loving, circles of experiences... anything helps

Even if we have to make ourselves consistently on Fediverse via talks - all is needed for a better way.

SO THEN THE QUESTION

Who is really up for that as practice ourself and then inviting others to show up for audio talk / limited small circle ?

Anyone?

And @theorytoe ...
Yes, sometimes if "something significant were to happen" or until crisis yes, sometimes need that for change or people don't change until that bumps them.
They find it hard to move out earlier or can't but need some help / encouragement etc / maybe they financially worry etc...

So people can leave it late and find themselves doing something stupid / regular sin instead of taking the hit needed to correct things or end up making a sign via a sin instead of asking for help earlier.

Sin is usually a result something else is not working, like expression not being accepted at work or the system is oppressing people's time / body etc...

So until all that we talk about and allow yes it's easy to accept sin comes from that...

A PROJECT ?
I'm still trying to find people interested in doing the people work or just talking like this casually or in a circle / something focussed. Just investing in people because not doing "the people work" only gets us all going in circles as we need each other (no 2 ways around that unless you like Capitalism and even that the service is going downhill!)

So instead of letting people go disconnected and fuelling Capitalism, building / rebuilding ourselves as humanity itself is somewhat the super-hero circle we need.

All the history and changes are catching up so circles help balance that between us.
Are you in.... or....
@theorytoe /

Question goes for anyone also reading / watching...