#Quote #Community & #Computers #Infrastructure etc
"Running infrastructure for yourself is hard...
Running infrastructure for others is exponentially harder."
💬 #Quotes from @localden
Page: https://den.dev/blog/be-a-property-owner-not-a-renter-on-the-internet/#1-have-your-own-property-on-the-web
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"As any forum moderator or administrator can attest, the sheer volume of #spam, #abuse, and just generally #trash #behavior can wear down even the most seasoned veterans of the .com era.
And that’s if we’re talking about #communities that #host tens of thousands of users. Scale that to a few million and there won’t be enough hours in the day to either keep the servers running (stuff is costly too) or to monitor the content for anything potentially harmful or inappropriate.
For anyone that wants to start a #community, it’s a no-brainer that they should probably start somewhere where they can “#outsource” the hard things, like moderation and infrastructure, to someone who is an expert and has built-in mechanisms to handle everything in-house. Especially when the funds for this are at or around zero dollars. That’s a totally reasonable stance to take, and I absolutely get the rationale there.
Not only that, but a lot of the existing ecosystems rest on the shoulders of network effects.
Once everyone you care about is on #Reddit, are you really going to be the only one not on Reddit and try to #bootstrap your own little corner for a specific community? Probably not, and attracting people there would be much harder. Reddit is the one-stop-shop - I can go there for woodworking advice, but I can also chat in #local communities, or communities around collecting #stamps, with the same account and within the same interface. Are you really going to post #photos of your fridge that you want to #sell on your blog and hope that in a year someone discovers it through a Google search? Of course not - you will go to #Facebook #Marketplace or #Craigslist and get it sold within a few days.
You, the #user, are going to go where most people are, because you’re optimizing for #solving your #problems, such as finding like-minded individuals or #selling the fridge quickly and getting it out of your garage to make room for a table saw.
Most people are this way - they don’t care who or how maintains or runs a community or network as long as that place solves the problems they set out to solve. When that #goal overlaps with the company’s desire to make money, you end up in somewhat of a goldilocks zone, but that’s typically a short-lived experience with #modern services. More on that shortly."
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@simon_brooke @localden Sure I get that. But which angle are you coming from?
So it can be seen in many ways, like those mentioned about
- the consideration on how to achieve our goals... moving things between us, selling, community
- infrastructure (sure it's #BigTech #BigCorp #Corporations etc BUT it does seems we are changing that or able to go back to the protocols that is the basic component of all of it and make it ours somewhat or not fully jump in bed with those types and simply make all existing hardware last as long as possible without buying into it too quickly...
So many ways to look at it - wondering what's yours related to this ?
Do you see it totally not possible / impossible or can we transition out of it a bit minimally using things meanwhile?
@freeschool @localden We can now -- and we will be able to, in futures I can foresee -- maintain an open communications infrastructure only partially dependent on capitalist businesses. #Usenet does still work, and we know how to do it (and we do know its many deficiencies). #Mastodon / #ActivityPub works provided we have always-on communication between servers. We have enough tech skill in the community that we can hack around most barriers the state or corporations might impose.
@simon_brooke @localden It's ok if you're the short-talking type or if talking more just depressed you (or anything similar).
Mainly I wanted to add the #JustSayNo is not possible once born into it - so needs actively undoing too. Can't say no because you need the bad providers of life (energy, banks, money, work, food, etc)...
It's not nice we have bad 'parents' for providers providing us excuses to do more bad work... but now we know we need to do something more about it like preparing people to be able to talk and team together more than hate or leave snarky comments. People that can give a chance for positive things to grow rather than spread those things the Leader want us to feed each other and occupy our time from finding things that work - namely ability to talk and spending more time with each other solving our own things / making friendships etc...
Try to reply. And make time for more - else it's perhaps not the planting of mind 🌱 🧠 🌱 and heart 💖 🌅
@freeschool @localden have you not yet learned about social media owned by #capitalist businesses?
#JustSayNo