@jonesmurphy @cstross @geospaz @datarama Agree with everyone and also Jones with 'us' being also a factor and not just big bad guys...

As I've personally spent most of my life testing directly or indirectly and people, as nice as they are can't talk / or don't want face simple things like it's their money or choices, or eventually banks and that sub-system (or whole thing now) that is fueling #war (often paying for both sides to war #financially and profit from supplying it)

Even just day-to-day #finance is a kind of #fascism deciding who gets what money and never for anything good *because good things don't want to be paid or extort people* and bad things increase prices / declare more war even if #economicwar... so many things are a pattern as well as Jones' decent list of"

#bigotry, #hatred, #laziness, willful #ignorance & #illogic

of which I'll add #jealousy
and lacking:... #morality #patience #courage #will etc (not everyone but even those that claim to be Christian by their own label perhaps and not really basic principles enough)

If anyone would like to humanly chat about anything around I can send them a simple chat link - just browser needed (#Jitsi audio chat - no video needed)

Note to myself - fascinating computer chat follows after the bit i replied to!