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@strypey

Yes, it's ~ 95 % incoming traffic.

Seems like the reason is that I was still in this room ssb-room.j-serv.de.

I guess it was mostly data from all the other peers in this room.

Let's see how it all works out now that I left the room.
I wonder whether I'm going to be sufficiently connected now. There are a handful of peers following me.

Maybe I should have done more reading before blindly trying it out.
I feel like I'm not even close to understanding enough about what's going on under the hood when I do something. And it seems to me that is one of those systems where you need to know more about how it works in order to get something out of it, compared to other systems.

@manyver_se

@strypey @davidoclubb

Did any of you monitor the network traffic of the app?

I'm running the linux version in a linux VM and it seems that every time I start it up again, it'll load in the ballpark of 500-600 MB of traffic from the network.

After this initial surge for maybe 30 minutes it'll just idle along with very little traffic. Guess it's somehow rebuilding its database or what and once it finishes, it runs low traffic.

Either I'm doing something unusual here, or something does not work as intended.

I mean, an app that's supposed to work mostly offline and then from time to time connect to the network shouldn't use hundreds of MBs of traffic each time, right?

For reference, the ".config" folder currently uses ~ 430 MB, so it's definitely not gigantic and the "replication hops" setting is a the default "2".

I'd rather not have the VM running all the time and blocking RAM.

Maybe I just need to keep the app running in the VM instead of terminating and starting it up again? I'll try that.

@manyver_se

@strypey @davidoclubb

I found this one: ssb-room.j-serv.de/

Click <Create new invite> and then you can paste the result in Manyverse.

Then the Manyverse app (for linux desktop) guided me through following/connecting some random IDs and additional pub rooms were also listed.

The pub rooms have timelines that show all the people that followed the room. I just clicked on a few random IDs and then followed them. Most were not online at the same time as me but, one account I actually saw a posted photo and commented on it.

I'm not sure, but apparently with scuttlebutt one cannot simply paste an ID into the app and follow this person. Seems like any connection has to be established through interacting with the social graph or through being in the same room.

@nntaleb

How far does it have to go with data hoarding by tech giants for people to start to opt out?

I worry that humankind is kind of caught in a death spiral there.

What death spiral? The problem might be: ever more makes it ever more obscure (to an individual human) in which ways this data accumulation is detrimental to the whole of society.

People might be manipulated in increasingly obscure ways and more and more effectively through all this data in combination with our highly complex societal system (culture, corporations, politics, science, ...) ... and in the end they just cannot tell, what caused what.

They might just feel ever more strongly that things don't feel good .. but they just cannot point their fingers at the cause. Because everything is too complex to understand.

Thought:

The key aspect that will make the space elevator possible will be, I think:

The cable/tether will be made from a material which can be continuously repaired while in use by enzymatic processes.

Maybe it's or but it might also be some bio polymer like lignin or chitin.

I also think the structure of the cable will be made up of tubes and it'll be porous, so that it can be locally infused with a solution containing enzymes and other molecules for repair.

Fascinating blog post about the increasing challenges s and power plant operators are facing due to the dynamics introduced into the system by prioritizing generation.

bfrandall.substack.com/p/chaos

(I might mention that I am all for .. but as someone with a bit more interest and education in science & technology than average I see challenges here that appear to be insufficiently addressed by current policies)

the author on twitter:
@mining_atoms

Risks to Mastodon with increasing popularity 

Interesting comment on Hackernews regarding a possible scenario/long term risk should Mastodon threaten the corporate sphere of social media.

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3

@strypey

We're doing circles here. Admittedly I don't have any hard evidence for it, but I stand by my claim: that bankers were pretty damn sure, they were too big to fail.

But I might just be a lazy conspiracist.

@strypey

> ... pretty tangential ...

I don't mean to derail your series. But apparently we simply disagree about the importance of the words used here.

I think the word "mistake" dangerously underestimates the intentionality of what happened.

This (claimed by me) intentionality is the essence (IMO) of what people should understand, in order to learn how to alter politics so that these crises can be avoided in the future.

@strypey

Still, "letting things get out of hand" was (I suspect) done consciously and purposefully, because of big players knowing they were too big to fail.

Isn't doing something on purpose by definition not a mistake (from the viewpoint of the organisation that's doing something)?

Calling their deeds 'mistakes' lets these corps off too easily I say.

@strypey

You mean the mastodon.instance/explore URL that lists an instance's users?

@strypey

> But it was governments that repeatedly saved markets from their own mistakes.

Calling them "mistakes" is IMO misleading if not outright false.

The big players (companties) that make up a big chunk of this market have definitely not been "mistakes" unknowingly. What they've been doing all the time is: do their very job, that's been given to them by society: maximize profit for shareholders. Yes, they've of course also made mistakes, but those aren't the reason for the crisis. These companies simply did what was best for maximizing profit under the given political circumstances.

@steeph

Clarification .. I'd go search for this laptop, but don't know what this special criterion is.

@steeph

> ... a laptop for the ??? ... that can take ... 16 ...

For the what?

@AgathaSorceress

My experience is that while I too at one point made this a habit of mine (maybe 10 years ago or even earlier), it has gotten much better.

I think browsers often save me via the back button taking me back to a filled in field that I can at least copy the text from.

Spoiler alert 

@magic_aye

Some kind oft architectural thing? Some ruins?

Not really sure what it is.

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