@Moon I don't mind them leaving. To be honest, I'd feel safer. And if people want to stay in touch, they can always jump ship. Keeping Mastodon around will eventually homogenise the Fediverse. It is a literal tumour.
But that doesn't mean we should take the nuclear stance. We should strive to be the adults in the room until the breakup is inevitable, and that means not throwing people off.
Total mastodon death NOW
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No, it's akko from my little witch academia using pleroma tan clothes
she stole:pleroma-tan_corndog: her clothes
@apophis
> "love it or leave it" isn't a nuclear stance
No, it's a way like any other of convincing newcomers that the community outside Mastodon does not welcome them and it's filled with any negative stereotype you can think of. Mastodon's propaganda does that job pretty well already. We don't need to give them more ammo.
The best way to destroy Fedi is, precisely, not working at keeping it together despite the different cultures and sensibilities that exist in it.
If they leave because Gargron is an asshole that adds incompatible changes to his software, that's one thing; but if they do it because a Pleroma admin (and an important figure in the community in general) tells them that it's his way or the highway, that's the death of the Fediverse. It would signal to everyone that different people with different sensibilities and ideas using different software cannot coexist amicably.
So, yeah, not a nuclear stance, just a very dumb and potentially damaging move.
@Moon One last thing: Think about how you felt when Gargron and his band of mindless freaks started saying that whatever was not Mastodon was Mordor. We shouldn't make anyone feel rejected, because we know how it feels and what it leads to.
Have you ever seen people using nazi iconography to try and scare people away? They were all like: “We're all nazis here. Go back to Twitter!” That was just a chldish reaction, of course. They were rejecting people preemptively, so that they wouldn't be rejected first.
Our stance must be a mature one. Helpful, welcoming, but firm. _This is our land, after all_.
This whole conbo is cringe and gatekeeping is not childish if pixels on a screen make you uncomfortable then you don't belong on the internet as most people don't
We should not welcome those who don't share our views and we should not accommodate them either, the entire point of fedi is to not share anyone's view but our own, that's why instances exist
I don't like poast but I recognize their good deeds and as the forefront of dissident fedi they nailed down how to keep invaders from overtaking them, not only have they survived multiple Twitter migrations but even kiwifarms itself
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> Have you ever seen people using nazi iconography to try and scare people away?
I have. They usually are the ones who brought up Nazis and bragged that they were now in a place with no Nazis. And they're generally the people who have been calling anyone to the right of Stalin "Nazis" for several years. At worst, it's a fun way of telling them the advertising was false and they are now where all the people they got banned went.
@Moon @apophis @feld
The ones who are not beyond redemption will make it through the initial hazing. And the ones who will get through that usually lack certain earmarks in their profile, like the word "journalist"
@Moon @apophis @feld
They shouldn't leave because one admin told them it's his way or the highway, they should leave because moon single handedly eliminated all black minorities in the US
>it’s a way like any other of convincing newcomers that the community outside Mastodon does not welcome them
You're right, we don't. Maybe if they get past the hazing they are cool, but if they can't handle moderate banter they will not enjoy it here anyway.
@apophis @feld @Moon
>But that doesn’t mean we should take the nuclear stance
Yes it does. I want people to come here and enjoy themselves, but only if they are here to be here and not here to be ostentatiously not on Twitter.
@Moon @feld
>however we shouldn't be as extreme as to remove the tumour which, by my own admission, I know will kill the body
Keeping some perceived moral high ground that both sides don't see as being particularly worthy of praise while standing idly and letting ruination happen around you doesn't make you the adult in the room, it makes you the coward in the closet.
Luckily others will do what must be done.
It's the same issue of having freedom or not having it, gpl or proprietary software, you gotta gatekeep at some point and stop compromising otherwise there's nothing left.
