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>1. Fediverse sustainability. What are the economic, psychological and emotional pressures on instance operators and other infrastructure providers? How can we support them?
import https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/fse-vs-fbi.html

>2. Creator economy. What social, organizational, and technical infrastructure do content creators depend on? What are we missing on the Fediverse?
If you can figure out how to do money transfers in a way that isn't a massive doxxfest and also doesn't constantly get shat on by investors, bankers, governments, etc., you'll probably make a few million from people thanking you for freeing them from that bullshit.
(Hint: BMT Micro is about as close as we'll ever get.)

>3. Cooperatives. social.coop, cosocial.ca and data.coop are all great examples of coops on the fediverse. Does this democratic and participative corporate structure provide an advantage for the Fediverse?
The whole point of decentralisation is that everybody is effectively free to moderate themselves: They choose an instance that they like the moderation of, if such doesn't exist, they create it. So, no, it's good for an arena game and that's about it. (I've toyed with the idea of writing a bot that's capable of parsing rules to some extent that can be set as the head of an instance where people try to manipulate each other into voting for rules that will get themselves banned, but for it to be fun I think you have to allow sufficiently arbitrary rules that a bot would never be capable of enforcing them.)

>4. Web Monetization. Many Fediverse projects have implemented this API. We'll be identifying two more multimedia projects and helping them use the protocol.
ur an fgt, and worse, a mastodonger
@Zergling_man @evan @silverpill I was gonna say, like, the inciting incident to that post was the thing that distressed me the most, aside from the machine that used to explode on a regular basis.

> a mastodonger

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@p @evan @silverpill @Zergling_man I think the takeaway from this thread is that only silverpill, me, mia, mirq and dav1d federate to his little coop instance. Everyone else in this thread is defederated by them.

An author of ActivityPub living on one of the most walled of instances I've seen.
@p @evan @silverpill @Zergling_man At this point I don't care if he nukes my instance. I wanted to discuss why most of the grant is counterproductive to the network and that's impossible now, because he blocked me. He's a member of "trust and safety" on that instance, so it's possible that he will nuke it.

All I wanted was to point out the counterproductive nature of half the points the grant is funding, talk about and maybe convince him to change his mind on some of it. And we ended up here. Honestly expected better from someone who has been here since GS days.
@phnt @evan @p @silverpill @Zergling_man In a sense I feel like even if this development actually has any teeth it's not going to be a big consequence in the long run: if they're talking about the next evolution of fedi, then what a committee-steered project with a budget of $200K can half ass in a few years, some hacker with a budget of cup noodles and a vision can whip up in a few months and likely actually achieve its goals. The right kind of software (stares at p) I think would basically make their approach obsolete overnight and actually achieve whatever "sustainability" they're talking about; they just have their head so deep in the sand they can't formulate any part of it.
@sicp @evan @p @silverpill @Zergling_man See my previous post: https://fluffytail.org/objects/030aff68-caf7-4da0-b7d4-f105505226a3

I think it is counterproductive to try to create yet another third protocol instead of trying to fix an already heavily established and more or less proven to work one. The reinvent the wheel mindset of, oops this failed; we have to reinvent it; is a dangerous one.

@phnt Personally, I find the reinvent-the-wheel mindset very healthy. It's literally how we got here, how evolution works, but that was not what I wanted to say.

What I wanted to say was this: we are using a protocol that, sooner or later, will get coopted, and the big players will force everybody else to adopt whatever they come up with; so maybe we should start studying the protocol as it is now, find ways to improve on it (even if that means a complete reinvention) and make it capitalism-proof. And we better do it now that when AP becomes AP+Crypto or AP+Meta.

@evan @sicp @p @silverpill @Zergling_man

Do you prefer these corpo motherfuckers dictating the terms of what is rightfully ours, @p? Ancap is a contradiction in terms.

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@josemanuel @p @evan @phnt @sicp @silverpill @Zergling_man
the corporations will do it anyway and will hijack ANY standards body there is to do it and then point to the standards body (three big tech corpos in a trenchcoat) as being responsible

anarchy enforcing something different than free market isn't anarchy, it's collectivism. nobody in anarchy prevents people from doing a collective - it's usually even a good idea for business, like with farmer owned dairies.

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@bonifartius On the West Coast of what is now the US, there used to be two kinds of anarchist societies (as in “no centralised power”) that lasted basically until the Europeans found them. One had private property and the other did not. Guess which one got regularly into wars and had slaves. (For the reference, check Graber and Weingrow, The Dawn of Everything.)

Also, not having private property does not mean you can't have (nice) things, but simply that you don't own them to the exclusion of others (and also that you don't have to pay for them, because they are yours... too). Compare that with our very free market RAM/GPU/game consoles regular shortages.

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