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@glennf do you think it is necessary to ironise to emphasise the obvious? Do you think that the other side does not see it as obvious as we do?

I'd think they do and I think gap is elsewhere. People that engage with arguing against the obvious have non-trivial motivation. Someone might be incentivised (including financially, as in the case of troll farms), others might just like to tease people with their nihilism.

But I'd argue that the people that need convincing are the ones that don't even see these news, because they are disengaged. They are not reading, they are not here. They might be watching sports, binge-reading classics, gone shopping, playing computer games or binge holiday-going, who knows what form of escapism. But we need to reach them differently.

@mapto People lie to themselves a lot. The degree to which people see reality varies right now remarkably from most of the left to the most of the right.

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