I can't understand how can someone sing along Radiohead's "Creep" and the next day join the choir of people who claim to be offended by Stallman's behavior
@PaniczGodek im not particularly an anti-Stallmanist, I still appreciate his contributions and , but I think his behavior and the behavior he's cultivated have been simply indefensible. He's lead attacks on several GNU maintainers, people who I respect, who have received threats, hate mail, and had their lives disturbed by perverse internet reactionaries who arent even serious free software contributors. He's holding maintainers life work hostage (because FSF owns the copywrite) under the guise of protecting its freedom, when its in actuality just an attempt to destroy those projects in revenge for speaking out against the defense of Minsky. That is the total opposite of software freedom, its software tyranny, I cant defend it any more (and remained neutral until witnessing all this and the subsequent damage it has done for the guix and guile communities)
I have links of OSS developers attacking RMS: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
Have you some link, where RMS is attacking GNU maintaners? So I can educate better myself, and see more details about the situation.
first you said
> He's lead attacks on several GNU maintainers,
then
> not he himself, but his minions
that IMHO it is not so much "fair".
You said
> its in actuality just an attempt to destroy those projects in revenge for speaking out against the defense of Minsky.
Is there some RMS message, where he is saying crazy things to the maintainers, putting unucessary stress on their work, with the aim to sabotage them?
Full disclosure: I'm in general against CoC, and I rather like https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html So, if I have no counter information, I'm rather biased in favor of RMS, also if for sure he is not perfect.
@mzan RMS obviously lead those attacks, pretending he didn't in some war of rhetoric is obvious cope that I don't feel like engaging in, and I don't feel like going through the troves of mailing list discourse at the moment; i'm not here to wage a position, but just expressing my recollection of events. following the breadcrumbs from that post should suffice.
if he condoned the gross behaviour that is going on in that post — a shameful attack on some of the GNU maintainers I hold in highest esteem and know to be some of the most kind, dedicated free software organizers and hackers advancing the ideals of free software in practice rather than words — then it wouldn't be there, its that simple. he allows this kind of behaviour to flourish and even encourages it, which is the heart of the problem.
> RMS obviously lead those attacks, pretending he didn't
Without further evidence, it is not obvious to me.
> I don't feel like going through the troves of mailing list discourse at the moment
Fair, but then I will consider what you said as personal opinion that can be true, but I cannot know with certainty because me too I have no time to search in the archives 🙂 I hoped you had quick to reach info. Sorry.
> if he condoned the gross behaviour that is going on in that post
If I accuse you to be a pedophile, X ask to remove you from your job, and some Y attack X on some random website, why do you should be obliged to defend X? The attacks received from RMS where a lot more stronger than the link you sent me against Y.
@mzan not he himself, but his minions https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html