Would you consider a software loicence that is free – meaning it secures all of the four essential freedoms and a future for hacker children – but which remains incompatible with GNU GPL on copyleft level more immoral than any GNU GPL loicence despite GNU GPL doing the exact same thing to non-GPL compatible software? cc @r and @nepfag in particular
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@roka @nepfag @r If you mean the CDDL, then it's a great license.
It protect all the freedoms and it annoys the GNUs.

@lanodan

GPL is a weapon of war against software copyright. CDDL seems closer to LGPL which is just a strategic retreat. Perpetual retreat, no matter how strategic, will never win. The only thing annoying about it is people who completely miss the point and think that is an equivalent, and that the viral nature of GPL is some sort of an accidental/pointless oversight.
It's like choosing a nerf gun over a real one, cause it's much safer, lighter and more ergonomic. Makes sense in certain contexts, but doesn't mean they are equivalent, or even "same but different".

@r @nepfag @roka

@namark @r @nepfag @roka CDDL is how Sun Microsystems managed to free a whole operating system bits by bits while still having a good copyright (sadly they fucked the assignment so Oracle made OpenSolaris proprietary but that can't happen on Illumos and related software).

This wasn't possible with the GPL as it would need to free the whole repo at once.

@lanodan

So it was better for some purpose which makes it better for all purposes? Seems to me It's basically LGPL, except incompatible with GPL, which means it can't be made stronger if necessary, which is an unnecessary restriction. You still can't say it's same as GPL, or that the difference is just annoying to some people, cause of their nonsensical sense of competition(or whatever else the implication was), if you understand the point of GPL.

@r @nepfag @roka

@namark @r @nepfag @roka I do not see the world in one dimension, the CDDL is better for some purposes and yes, GPL-incompatibility can have some nice side-effects or some bad ones.
Also never said it was the same as the GPL, it's much more like the MPL as it's based on it. I said it protects your freedoms, which isn't something that *only* the GPL can do.
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@lanodan

Well I would say your comment had a strong implication that the only difference is that it "annoys the GNUs"(by itself, for no reason), but I'm glad you clarified.

Examples of where incompatibility with GPL is beneficial? And I mean not for your personal gain, or to "annoy the GNUs", but for the freedom of the entire community. And I mean software freedom, not freedom to do whatever they want in general, or any other kind of philosophical interpretation of the word.

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