This is a really smart way to get a message out on the fediverse. People think "no algorithms" means "no manipulation", but the truth is coders can do a lot to put a message in front of your face. Algorithms actually *prevent* that, while still ensuring that important messages like this one actually *do* get put in front of people's faces.

The fediverse is basically a giant chat room. The main thing this is better for is engagement; you're replying to people who are online right now, so they'll likely reply back. The downside is that it's prone to manipulation, and people might not see important posts.
@alex Algorithms sound nice, but they usually give you, like, half a dozen good posts at the top, and then a bunch of garbage, and then another half dozen that you wanted to see, but never do because the computer isn't omniscient. When I used Twitter I was always having to switch back to chronological because the curated timeline was a bad experience.
@boob @alex Facebook and Twitter were and still are intentionally abusing filters, Google does as well -- just look at the noise around Fox News being popular, but the tech isn't inherently bad, consider "high activity public posts in the last 24 hours."
@moth @alex I'm not against the idea, I've just never seen it work better than chronological. A big problem both of those sites have, for example, is bringing back posts from the farthest back the algorithm allows long past the point of relevance, to the point it becomes spam in itself.

If it can be done well I'm all for it. Lord knows I don't want to sift through every post to find something engaging. I just haven't seen it work yet, except arguably Reddit (you get good things there, depending on the board, but you end up missing a lot too.)
@boob @moth Yeah I know what you mean about the chronology problem. Another issue is the snowball effect, where posts with a little bit of initial traction can snowball to become disproportionately "relevant".
@alex @moth Or how about that people often don't interact with posts they see on Fedi? I see a ton of posts on Fedi that make me chuckle and I don't think to like, share, or reply, I think that's the same for a lot of people. It's a different culture of interactivity.

Then you have the counting problem, servers don't accurately count... well, *anything* from other sites. The success of a given algorithm will vastly change depending on the site.

It really seems like a hill not worth climbing until there's an infrastructure that properly supports it, at least. Manual curation in the vein of Misskey's various timeline options is a better way to go, I think.
@alex @moth You just have a lot of ways to configure the UX, and different types of timelines. For example, you can select words you're interested in and make an entire timeline of that. You can mute accounts in one timeline and not another. You can have as many or as few columns as you like, or have many timelines in a 2 column layout, even.

So much is left to the user it's hard not to see whatever you want, however you want it, assuming you take the time to configure, which is the biggest barrier. It usually takes me about an hour to make everything comf with a new setup. Downgrading to a lower resolution laptop changed everything :cryAqua:
@boob @moth That's really interesting. Dealing with algorithms is a "down the line" thing for me at the moment, but I'll definitely have to explre that way when I get there. I bet we could reduce the barrier by creating some sort of predefined config templates or something.
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Step 1. Take everything from a big network that is naturally categorized and jam it into a linear feed.
Step 2. Build a super mega skynet AI that can sort the world in ascending order.

Hmmm... how about instead accept mortality and just don't do the step 1. Every "good" instance should have enough moderation to detect a spammer (or any other type of bot that is not properly announced) within itself. Users should be allowed to conveniently browse instances and follow them. No, you will not see everything that is "most important", such is life, deal with it.

I don't think the algorithms(tm) in the centralized networks were devised as a user convenience feature even if advertised as such. It's likely tools that arose naturally to cut costs and mitigate damages without having to hire and organize many 10s of thousands of people across the globe just as full-time moderators.

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