@holger Yes. Thankfully, the Lisp hackers that surround me in the are not like this single example from the fringes of the Common Lisp community, so it is impossible to generalize from this single person to all of the language ecosystem.
And anyway, I am actively working on showing this single toxic person the door out of the Common Lisp community in general. I guess you can imagine that this involves getting on their really bad side.
PS. <3
@phoe @holger As a bystander the main selling point of lisp is that it is a "language without syntax", so the sentiment is unsurprising to me.
Also as a bystander, admitting to, in all seriousness, "actively working on showing this ... person the door" is more toxic than any name calling or banter can ever be.
@namark @holger Yes, I understand.
Hexstream has been notoriously aggressive and disrespectful towards members of the Common Lisp community for many years and, after running out of all chances that I have been giving him for many months, I have arrived at a point where there is no other choice than literally asking the person to change his behavior - which he didn't, and doesn't - or to show him the door.
@namark @holger It is a piece of contextual information that is not there for people from outside the Common Lisp community who are additionally unaware of the Twitter rants and GitHub derailments that has been going on for years without being stopped.
Only at such a point, after dozens of instances where the person in question was asked to correct himself, I ended up considering the point of no return and actually deciding on it.
@phoe @holger Twitter and Github are more of a public forums than specific communities. If there is a specific community that has rules, then people who are trusted to enforce them can enforce them. Otherwise one should be working towards establishing such a community with specific rules that apply to all and are clear to all, or, if that is already the case, maybe working towards changing these rules that apply to all and are clear to all, but in no circumstance does it make sense for one (or even many) to work against a specific individual, I presume by tarnishing their reputation.
Apologies for pedantry without context, but just some food for thought, one must be careful to not fight fire with more fire, even if it's of slightly different kind.
@namark @holger The issue is that most of the Common Lisp community works on GitHub and therefore the two entities intertwine with one another. I have submitted a list of offensive Hexstream posts (of which there are many) to GitHub abuse team, so they may take steps of their own; I am waiting for a reply.
In the context of the Common Lisp community, Hexstream has repeatedly targeted individuals in the Common Lisp community and involved them in his conspiracy theories, assaults, and playing the victim card. I am currently working towards establishing a rule of non-aggression and civility, so, basic code of conduct stuff that does not even require a formal code of conduct... until it does. In the Common Lisp community, I am not aiming for any kind of witch-hunting whatsoever; I am aiming for banning this kind of insistent aggression and vulgarity regardless of who or wheer they come from.
I hope it's a little bit clearer now.