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Small tweak after posting this:

"With dark / taboo fantasies, these are fairly common and aren't a bad sign (Lehmiller, 2019) (Lehmiller, 2022). As Diamond and Uchiyama (1999) and other pieces of science remind us, these aren't associated with crime, even if the fictional character is like / is a child, or the content is violent. Lehmiller (2022) found that around one in four adults have sexual fantasies involving cartoon / anime characters."

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Here's another incomplete draft for my experimental porn post. Perhaps of interest to

I have seen a number of misguided opinions about online porn, sometimes focusing on content, sometimes in pursuit of technologies like age verification, and sometimes suggesting that some new technology should be presumed to be bad. I address these in the following post.

Quite a few arguments hinge on the possibility content "might" be "problematic". Even if these points did have merit, and as I will go into, it is a lot more dubious than someone might make out, it's curious how we wouldn't apply such lines of reasoning to literally anything else. We don't opine on the harms of riding bicycles. While we recognize alcohol can be harmful, we don't look to instate a prohibition on it. We don't theorize about how reading a murder mystery novel might lead someone to go out and commit murder.

Sometimes, someone vaguely points to the "morality" of it. What is moral though? If there is a violent murder or torture scene in a film, is this immoral? That doesn't get censored. Why is that somehow more moral than a scene of someone having sex? Or even a scene with more taboo themes? Unless, someone has a moral belief system which already presupposes something to be bad, that doesn't make sense at all.

As for why it is treated like this, that is likely because it isn't real. If someone went around murdering and torturing people, that would be shocking and appalling, as it should be. When it's simply a work of fiction though, it is hardly notable, a form of entertainment. Even real scenes of murder might be useful in documenting war crimes (Asher-Schapiro, 2017). So, how is this any different?

There are number of pieces of science which call online porn being spooky into question. To name a few:

A Canadian study showed more gender egalitarian attitudes among users of porn (Kohut et al., 2015). A German study failed to find a link between porn use and sexism or "social dominance orientation" (Von Andrian-Werburg et al., 2023).

A 2020 U.S. study analysed 59 studies and failed to find a link between porn and sex crimes (Carr, 2020)(Ferguson & Hartley, 2020). As pointed out by (Olives, 2023), the study found things like telltale signs of p hacking and citation bias. It also found a publication bias which led to studies which didn't find effects being less likely to be represented, and tried to control for variables which might make it appear as if there might be a "link" when one isn't present. More on this later.

Dawson et al. (2019) fails to find a link between porn use and sexual aggression among adolescents which suggests that sexual aggression might not necessarily be an outcome of porn use among adolescents. This might further call into question whether disproportionate interventions are warranted here.

A Croatian study fails to replicate an older Dutch study which showed lower levels of "sexual satisfaction" among adolescents who use porn (Milas et al., 2019). This was found while looking into another study, I figured it would be a waste not to mention it.

As Castleman (2016) points out, there are a number of studies covering a number of countries which even show lower rates of crime (for instance, rape and child sexual abuse) with higher levels of porn use, such as one covering Japan (Diamond & Uchiyama, 1999). Another one is the Czech Republic (and apparently Finland) (Diamond et al., 2010). This even includes forms of porn involving taboos. Castleman (2016) also points to Denmark, China, and the United States. This contradicts the idea that porn use drives such crimes.

A 2022 U.S. study looked into studies regarding whether sexualization in video games caused harm to players and found it was not associated with negative outcomes (Ferguson et al., 2022).

Efrati (2018) shows that moralizing about sex can make it worse.

Brown (2015) is different from these kinds of studies (it's a news article) but it helps to add context. According to the CDC, there were actually fewer teenagers in the United States who had had sex in 2013 than in 1989. Those who did were more likely to have used some sort of contraception.

Now, for more discussion than details of particular studies.

When thinking about results, it is useful to consider things like the "scientific pile-on effect" (Ferguson, 2013)(Ferguson, 2020) which drive people to go looking for "links" between something like porn and something bad, no matter how weak or tenuous it might be. Factoring this in, you can eliminate a lot of false positives which otherwise don't have value in the real world.

We should also remember that correlation does not imply causation. One classic example of this which is taught in statistics and science is the "ice cream effect" where crime appears to rise with the number of ice cream sales (Peters, 2013). One compelling alternate theory which is pitched is that both ice cream sales, and crime, are associated with warmer weather. Peters also points out that simply because someone is out in hot weather doesn't mean that the hot weather will magically make them go and commit a crime.

When it comes to news media, it is important to remember a few things. The number of crimes or "risk" of such is known to not be associated with their occurrence in the news. The media is known to have a bias towards negativity and shock (Thompson, 2023)(Perlmutter, 2019). We also have to watch out for "sensationalism" and "man bites dog" type articles which focus on unusual events precisely because they are unusual (Kaplan, 2015).

Quite a few things which might get blamed on "the porn" are actually general mental health issues which could be dealt with more normally (Tuckman, 2017), and crucially, without conflating it with porn (which might even detract from dealing with someone's actual issues) (Ley, 2023a). Things which someone dislikes about their sexuality (including homosexuality) might also be blamed on "the porn" (Ley, 2023b).

From observing policy shifts, public discourse, and instances of censorship, it also seems that over the past few years, the amount of censorship which platforms (and others) have exerted has tended to increase over time. Some instances are documented by the ACLU (Holston-Zannell, 2023). Despite this, we are not hearing of the amount of crime decreasing in response to this. Censorship doesn't appear to be helping here, and it has it's own harms, particularly for marginalized groups.

With dark / taboo fantasies, Lehmiller (2019) shows us that these are fairly common and aren't a bad sign. As Diamond and Uchiyama (1999) and other pieces of science remind us, these aren't associated with crime, even if the fictional character is like / is a child, or the content is violent. It is also known that around one in four adults have sexual fantasies involving cartoon / anime characters (Lehmiller, 2022).

Now, onto the new technologies. New technologies aren't really "symbols of evil". They might be used in a positive manner or a negative manner (i.e. to be harassing). Similarly, someone could use a car as a form of transport to take them to another location, or they could use a car to run someone over.

Contrary to what some might believe, "AI" did not spring out of the aether when it was unveiled by the likes of OpenAI or Stability AI in 2022 (these use what we'd call "diffusion models"). Older forms based on GANs (Generative Adversarial Networks), such as StyleGAN, were already in existence prior to that. Someone could throw in millions of, say, anime images, leave a few GPUs doing heavy crunching for a few weeks, and get something which roughly spits out novel imagery (Gwern, n.d.).

Asher-Schapiro, A. (2017). YouTube and Facebook are removing evidence of atrocities, jeopardizing cases against war criminals. The Intercept. theintercept.com/2017/11/02/wa

Kohut, T., Baer, J. L., & Watts, B. (2015). Is Pornography Really about “Making Hate to Women”? Pornography Users Hold More Gender Egalitarian Attitudes Than Nonusers in a Representative American Sample. The Journal of Sex Research, 53(1), 1–11. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2015.

Von Andrian-Werburg, M. T. P., Siegers, P., & Breuer, J. (2023). A Re-evaluation of Online Pornography Use in Germany: A Combination of Web Tracking and Survey Data Analysis. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 52(8), 3491–3503. doi.org/10.1007/s10508-023-026

Carr, S. (2020). Study: Pornography does not cause violent sex crimes. utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/p (press release for the study to add more context)

Ferguson, C. J., & Hartley, R. D. (2020). Pornography and sexual aggression: Can Meta-Analysis find a link? Trauma, Violence & Abuse, 23(1), 278–287. doi.org/10.1177/15248380209427

Olives (2023). qoto.org/@olives/1104622745318

Dawson, K., Tafro, A., & Štulhofer, A. (2019). Adolescent sexual aggressiveness and pornography use: A longitudinal assessment. Aggressive Behavior, 45(6), 587–597. doi.org/10.1002/ab.21854

Milas, G., Wright, P., & Štulhofer, A. (2019). Longitudinal assessment of the association between pornography use and sexual satisfaction in adolescence. The Journal of Sex Research, 57(1), 16–28. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2019.

Castleman, M. (2016). Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault. All About Sex. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Diamond, M., & Uchiyama, A. (1999). Pornography, rape, and sex crimes in Japan. International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, 22(1), 1–22. doi.org/10.1016/s0160-2527(98)

Diamond, M., Jozifkova, E., & Weiss, P. (2010). Pornography and sex crimes in the Czech Republic. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 40(5), 1037–1043. doi.org/10.1007/s10508-010-969

Ferguson, C. J., Sauer, J. D., Drummond, A., Kneer, J., & Lowe-Calverley, E. (2022). Does sexualization in video games cause harm in players? A meta-analytic examination. Computers in Human Behavior, 135, 107341. doi.org/10.1016/j.chb.2022.107

Efrati, Y. (2018). God, I can’t stop thinking about sex! The rebound effect in unsuccessful suppression of sexual thoughts among religious adolescents. The Journal of Sex Research, 56(2), 146–155. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2018.

Brown, E. N. (2015). Despite all the panic, millennial teens have much less sex than their elders did. Reason. reason.com/2015/07/23/despite- (the layout of one of the sites appears to have changed after 2018)

Ferguson, C. J. (2013). Soda and the scientific Pile-On Effect. TIME. ideas.time.com/2013/08/28/soda

Ferguson, C. J. (2020). “13 Reasons Why” and Teen Suicide. Checkpoints. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Peters, J. (2013). When ice cream sales rise, so do homicides. coincidence, or will your next cone murder you? Slate Magazine. slate.com/news-and-politics/20

Thompson, D. (2023). The Internet Loves Bad News. And That's Bad. The Atlantic. theatlantic.com/newsletters/ar

Perlmutter, A. (2019). How Negative News Distorts Our Thinking. The Modern Brain. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Kaplan, S. (2015). Man bites dog. No, really. Washington Post. washingtonpost.com/news/mornin

Tuckman, A. (2017). Porn Isn’t the Problem. Sex Matters. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Ley, D. J. (2023a). Why Narcissists Are More Likely to Identify as Porn Addicts. Women Who Stray. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Ley, D. J. (2023b). Homophobia and Religiosity Drive Struggles with Porn. Women Who Stray. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Holston-Zannell, L. B. (2023). Sex workers and legal advocates file Federal Trade Commission complaint against Mastercard [Press release]. American Civil Liberties Union. aclu.org/press-releases/sex-wo

Lehmiller, J. J. (2019). Our 7 Most Common Sexual Fantasies. The Myths of Sex. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Lehmiller, J. J. (2022). Why Animated Porn Is So Popular. The Myths of Sex. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Gwern. (n.d.). This Anime Does Not Exist. thisanimedoesnotexist.ai

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japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/06/
"French plans to use artificial intelligence () to scan the thousands of athletes, coaches and spectators descending on Paris for the Olympics is a form of creeping surveillance, rights groups said.

French authorities have tested artificial intelligence surveillance systems at train stations, concerts and football matches in recent months.

When the games open in late July, these systems will scan the crowds, check for abandoned packages, detect weapons, and more."

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Not all misinformation is protected speech (a good example of misinformation which isn't would be that which is defamatory), but generally, it is.

It would be virtually impossible though to make sure that someone isn't saying something that might be defamatory.

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What's interesting about chat control is how they already have a "voluntary" arrangement which sweeps over a vast amount of content but they want to sweep even further.

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eff.org/deeplinks/2024/06/enco Remember though that "misinformation" is protected speech, even if you find it to be unpleasant speech.

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eff.org/deeplinks/2024/06/eff-
"Law enforcement should be required to obtain a warrant to search data contained in abandoned cell phones, EFF and others explained in a friend-of-the-court brief to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals."

"Courts—including the US Supreme Court—have recognized that cell phones contain the “sum of an individual’s private life.” And, because of this recognition, law enforcement must generally obtain a warrant before it can search someone’s phone.

While people routinely carry cell phones, they also often lose them. That should not mean losing the data contained on the phones."

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nichegamer.com/wordle-players- Failing to get that is embarrassing so I can see why they'd be upset, lol.

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reason.com/2024/06/10/if-they- I don't know if you agree with everything he says but he is right here.

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Protecting someone's free expression / privacy isn't just the duty of some court, it is the duty of the legislature to ensure that they don't produce language which might impinge on that.

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Wedding digital rights to environmentalism too much was one thing which concerned me about a few of EDRi's posts. Well, it's just a thought.
QT: qoto.org/@olives/1125984640386

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Maybe, relying on just environmentalists to carry the torch of digital rights was a mistake.
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Maybe, relying on just environmentalists to carry the torch of digital rights was a mistake.

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theguardian.com/society/articl Interesting article.

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time.com/longform/clean-water- Even outside of prisons, Americans might not have access to clean water (which is probably not good for health or the brain, and probably contributes to crime).

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"The sex doll falls under privacy."

The "sex doll" falls under "freedom of expression" as, well, you know, sculptures and such do. And I suppose someone could argue that prohibitions there would be an intrusion on private life and such.

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Here's an incomplete draft for my experimental porn post:

I have seen a number of misguided opinions about online porn, sometimes focusing on content, sometimes in pursuit of technologies like age verification, and sometimes suggesting that some new technology should be presumed to be bad. I address these in the following post.

Quite a few arguments hinge on the possibility content "might" be "problematic". Even if these points did have merit, and as I will go into, it is a lot more dubious than someone might make out, it's curious how we wouldn't apply such lines of reasoning to literally anything else. We don't opine on the harms of riding bicycles. While we recognize alcohol can be harmful, we don't look to instate a prohibition on it. We don't theorize about how reading a murder mystery novel might lead someone to go out and commit murder.

Sometimes, someone vaguely points to the "morality" of it. What is moral though? If there is a violent murder or torture scene in a film, is this immoral? That doesn't get censored. Why is that somehow more moral than a scene of someone having sex? Or even a scene with more taboo themes? Unless, someone has a moral belief system which already presupposes something to be bad, that doesn't make sense at all.

As for why it is treated like this, that is likely because it isn't real. If someone went around murdering and torturing people, that would be shocking and appalling, as it should be. When it's simply a work of fiction though, it is hardly notable, a form of entertainment. Even real scenes of murder might be useful in documenting war crimes (Asher-Schapiro, 2017). So, how is this any different?

There are number of pieces of science which call online porn being spooky into question. To name a few:

A Canadian study showed more gender egalitarian attitudes among users of porn (Kohut et al., 2015). A German study failed to find a link between porn use and sexism or "social dominance orientation" (Von Andrian-Werburg et al., 2023).

A 2020 U.S. study analysed 59 studies and failed to find a link between porn and sex crimes (Carr, 2020)(Ferguson & Hartley, 2020). As pointed out by (Olives, 2023), the study found things like telltale signs of p hacking and citation bias. It also found a publication bias which led to studies which didn't find effects being less likely to be represented, and tried to control for variables which might make it appear as if there might be a "link" when one isn't present. More on this later.

Dawson et al. (2019) fails to find a link between porn use and sexual aggression among adolescents which suggests that sexual aggression might not necessarily be an outcome of porn use among adolescents. This might further call into question whether disproportionate interventions are warranted here.

A Croatian study fails to replicate an older Dutch study which showed lower levels of "sexual satisfaction" among adolescents who use porn (Milas et al., 2019). This was found while looking into another study, I figured it would be a waste not to mention it.

As Castleman (2016) points out, there are a number of studies covering a number of countries which even show lower rates of crime (for instance, rape and child sexual abuse) with higher levels of porn use, such as one covering Japan (Diamond & Uchiyama, 1999). Another one is the Czech Republic (and apparently Finland) (Diamond et al., 2010). This even includes forms of porn involving taboos. Castleman (2016) also points to Denmark, China, and the United States. This contradicts the idea that porn use drives such crimes.

A 2022 U.S. study looked into studies regarding whether sexualization in video games caused harm to players and found it was not associated with negative outcomes (Ferguson et al., 2022).

Efrati (2018) shows that moralizing about sex can make it worse.

Brown (2015) is different from these kinds of studies (it's a news article) but it helps to add context. According to the CDC, there were actually fewer teenagers in the United States who had had sex in 2013 than in 1989. Those who did were more likely to have used some sort of contraception.

Now, for more discussion than details of particular studies.

When thinking about results, it is useful to consider things like the "scientific pile-on effect" (Ferguson, 2013)(Ferguson, 2020) which drive people to go looking for "links" between something like porn and something bad, no matter how weak or tenuous it might be. Factoring this in, you can eliminate a lot of false positives which otherwise don't have value in the real world.

We should also remember that correlation does not imply causation. One classic example of this which is taught in statistics and science is the "ice cream effect" where crime appears to rise with the number of ice cream sales (Peters, 2013). One compelling alternate theory which is pitched is that both ice cream sales, and crime, are associated with warmer weather. Peters also points out that simply because someone is out in hot weather doesn't mean that the hot weather will magically make them go and commit a crime.

When it comes to news media, it is important to remember a few things. The number of crimes or "risk" of such is known to not be associated with their occurrence in the news. The media is known to have a bias towards negativity and shock (Thompson, 2023)(Perlmutter, 2019). There is also what we'd call "sensationalism" and "man bites dog" type articles which focus on unusual events precisely because they are unusual.

Quite a few things which might get blamed on "the porn" are actually general mental health issues which could be dealt with more normally (Tuckman, 2017), and crucially, without conflating it with porn (which might even detract from dealing with someone's actual issues) (Ley, 2023a). Things which someone dislikes about their sexuality (including homosexuality) might also be blamed on "the porn" (Ley, 2023b).

Asher-Schapiro, A. (2017). YouTube and Facebook are removing evidence of atrocities, jeopardizing cases against war criminals. The Intercept. theintercept.com/2017/11/02/wa

Kohut, T., Baer, J. L., & Watts, B. (2015). Is Pornography Really about “Making Hate to Women”? Pornography Users Hold More Gender Egalitarian Attitudes Than Nonusers in a Representative American Sample. The Journal of Sex Research, 53(1), 1–11. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2015.

Von Andrian-Werburg, M. T. P., Siegers, P., & Breuer, J. (2023). A Re-evaluation of Online Pornography Use in Germany: A Combination of Web Tracking and Survey Data Analysis. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 52(8), 3491–3503. doi.org/10.1007/s10508-023-026

Carr, S. (2020). Study: Pornography does not cause violent sex crimes. utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/p (press release for the study to add more context)

Ferguson, C. J., & Hartley, R. D. (2020). Pornography and sexual aggression: Can Meta-Analysis find a link? Trauma, Violence & Abuse, 23(1), 278–287. doi.org/10.1177/15248380209427

Olives (2023). qoto.org/@olives/1104622745318

Dawson, K., Tafro, A., & Štulhofer, A. (2019). Adolescent sexual aggressiveness and pornography use: A longitudinal assessment. Aggressive Behavior, 45(6), 587–597. doi.org/10.1002/ab.21854

Milas, G., Wright, P., & Štulhofer, A. (2019). Longitudinal assessment of the association between pornography use and sexual satisfaction in adolescence. The Journal of Sex Research, 57(1), 16–28. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2019.

Castleman, M. (2016). Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault. All About Sex. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Diamond, M., & Uchiyama, A. (1999). Pornography, rape, and sex crimes in Japan. International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, 22(1), 1–22. doi.org/10.1016/s0160-2527(98)

Diamond, M., Jozifkova, E., & Weiss, P. (2010). Pornography and sex crimes in the Czech Republic. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 40(5), 1037–1043. doi.org/10.1007/s10508-010-969

Ferguson, C. J., Sauer, J. D., Drummond, A., Kneer, J., & Lowe-Calverley, E. (2022). Does sexualization in video games cause harm in players? A meta-analytic examination. Computers in Human Behavior, 135, 107341. doi.org/10.1016/j.chb.2022.107

Efrati, Y. (2018). God, I can’t stop thinking about sex! The rebound effect in unsuccessful suppression of sexual thoughts among religious adolescents. The Journal of Sex Research, 56(2), 146–155. doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2018.

Brown, E. N. (2015). Despite all the panic, millennial teens have much less sex than their elders did. Reason. reason.com/2015/07/23/despite- (the layout of one of the sites appears to have changed after 2018)

Ferguson, C. J. (2013). Soda and the scientific Pile-On Effect. TIME. ideas.time.com/2013/08/28/soda

Ferguson, C. J. (2020). “13 Reasons Why” and Teen Suicide. Checkpoints. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Peters, J. (2013). When ice cream sales rise, so do homicides. coincidence, or will your next cone murder you? Slate Magazine. slate.com/news-and-politics/20

Thompson, D. (2023). The Internet Loves Bad News. And That's Bad. The Atlantic. theatlantic.com/newsletters/ar

Perlmutter, A. (2019). How Negative News Distorts Our Thinking. The Modern Brain. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Tuckman, A. (2017). Porn Isn’t the Problem. Sex Matters. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Ley, D. J. (2023a). Why Narcissists Are More Likely to Identify as Porn Addicts. Women Who Stray. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

Ley, D. J. (2023b). Homophobia and Religiosity Drive Struggles with Porn. Women Who Stray. psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/

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Sometimes, I find lots of good articles *except the one I'm looking for*.

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Refinding an article I read a year ago can be a pain.

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reason.com/2024/06/07/louisian
" Gov. Jeff Landry last week signed a law that criminalizes approaching police officers within 25 feet, provided that the officer tells any would-be approachers to stand back, effectively creating a legal force field that law enforcement can activate at their discretion."

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It's nice to see more privacy based critiques of "" (to be accurate, artificial "intelligence") over the past few days rather than a few invoking QAnon type reasoning or arguments along the lines of the thought police (putting a big emphasis on people creating content which might be offensive to someone).

There are quite a few privacy questions here. Now, while there are certain controversies around things like the "right to be forgotten", which is likened to censorship, or "privacy" proposals which compel platforms to collect, say, face scans, this one seems to be a fairly straightforward application of privacy.

For instance, the Norwegian DPA doesn't think Facebook is following the GDPR in using data from their platform. The Italian one wasn't happy that "Open" AI used information from chat sessions with the bot for training it and ended up adding a setting to allow users to manage that (although, it seems they might still surveil users?). Now, there's a scandal with Microsoft, and even, yes, Adobe.

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