I understand planning is hard, but it’s counterproductive for #Python conferences to run CfPs before #PyConUS2023 has sent out talk acceptances.
ESPECIALLY ppl who spend extraordinary amount of time on talk preparations make it dependent on it whether they write a talk at all.
This way you’re optimizing your schedule for ppl who get paid to give talks vs ppl reporting from the figurative trenches.
@hynek I don't understand the issue. Is it that people will prepare a talk only for PyCon and if they get a different talk accepted in a local con then they have to prepare two talks?
@hynek I actually, non-rhetorically, don't understand the problem or the relevance of the amount of time spent on talks.
For me PyCon US is usually the "capstone performance" of my talk, not the debut - and that's not usually my choice, so whether or not PyCon accepts my talk this year has no real bearing on other conferences from this year, since usually a talk gets rejected once or twice from PyCon US before I actually give it. A lot of investment in the talk makes me *less* sensitive to the timing of when I give it, not more.
@hynek Oh wait sorry I didn't realize the thing you said about getting invited to local cons based on PyCon performance.
That hasn't really happened for me, and invited talks I know about tend to be Keynotes where the social capital is "this person is a good speaker and will draw attendees" rather than "this talk they gave at PyCon was interesting we should have them do it here too"
@pganssle it’s 50% hoping to inspire someone to invite me, yes. But mainly it’s about KNOWING that I won’t spent 200h on something that 50 ppl will see. Kind of a guaranteed ROI if you will.
(Last year I got 0 invites not sure if it’s correlation or causation)
@pganssle we seem to be on very different pages indeed and I suspect it’s caused by social-economic status. My employer pays for PyCon US, EP, and if I’m lucky one more and that’s it. So worst case I submit a talk 3x and get accepted to the smallest one and spend 200h preparing a talk that I give once in front of 50 people. I realize that’s my problem but I’ve always posed it as such.
@pganssle as for this: once I know I’m giving the talk, I try to get into the minor league too (cf blog). That said I take smaller ones emotionally more serious since they usually go out of their way to accommodate me.
@hynek I think maybe reading between the lines, your process is you do not give talks unless you know they are getting into PyCon US, whereas I treat regional Python conferences as a "minor league" where my talks prove themselves out before graduating to the big stage.