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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack Is your claim that US has a significantly lower sexual assault rate as somepared to other rich countries?

@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper I'm comparing US to other rich countries, and you can probably see that the prevalence of mental illness is similar. Certainly not many times higher, as is the murder rate. Lack of healthcare access is certainly a factor, but I don't think it tells the whole story because, again, I don't think the difference is large enough.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Yeah, I should have blocked you a while ago.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Maybe you should decide whether you want to call me a retard or a pig? Or you know, act like an adult and not do those things? There's a risk you'll do that to someone face and encounter consequences.

@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Again, I can provide sources. Neither of you two does. https://ourworldindata.org/mental-health

@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Ok, I don't buy it. US has an average number of people with mental illness. It's the guns.

@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper If only those crazy people didn't have guns.

Of course it's also a very unspecific claim with no sources or even numbers, and I couldn't confirm it. But I'm sure you've proven it before.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo So that's also not something you're saying? Feels like you guys just don't want to talk about why Americans murder each other so much. So it's not because you want to and not because you can. What is the reason for your murder rate again?

@lcamtuf LLMs are so meta.

@Chronomyst@beige.party Have a day.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo I guess Americans are just more hateful. Thank you for making that clear :)

@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack But causality does require correlation, doesn't it? And US demonstrably has a lot of guns and does not have a low murder rate. There is no reason to think a lot of guns lowers murder rates. There is a reason to think the opposite.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Do I even have to say it? US ranks nr 14 in the world in reported rape, and the only rich country that's above it is Sweden. Guns don't stop sexual assault from happening. Guns do not make a country safer at all.

@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I really don't understand how someone can say with a straight face that guns lower murder rate while living in a country that has an enormous murder rate and loads of guns. Arguing that guns don't boost murder rate is very counterintuitive to me and not in line with the stuff I've read, but it's somewhat plausible. But if guns lower murder rate how many more guns do you need to get your murder rate to a normal level? You guys have more guns than people.

@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I see no evidence that a lot of guns that people in US have lowers the murder rate there. Quite the opposite. You have a lot of guns and a lot of murders.

@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I'm not talking about gun violence but murder rate.

@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack No, I think guns play a major role in murder rate. They're not the only factor, obviously, but they're the big one.

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo So your conclusion is that both gun ownership and murder rates are both caused by poverty?

@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo The other conclusion being that people started buying guns after all the knife shootings?