@ringo

Interesting the authors were medical doctors!

Those guys had knowledge whereas most of our medical doctors today are just really good at memorising algorithms after somehow skating by through organic chemistry and stats for beginners.

@pamby1
What do you mean?
We don't know everything and it is still possible to do ones job correctly with all the proper knowledge required.
@Andre @ringo

@rastinza @Andre @ringo I just mean that it's my impression that some scientists today are not open to new information & just about stroke out if someone's opinion deviates from what a
"consensus of scientists" says is fact. As if democracy, not the scientific method, determines facts.

@pamby1
The scientific method is, in fact, based on consensus.
While a black swan observation does indicate that the theory that all swans are white might be wrong, the single observation is not enough to disprove an affirmed and working theory.
@Andre @ringo

@pamby1
Then again, it's also true some people are not open to new information, but I don't think this is one of the main problems of the scientific community at the moment.
@Andre @ringo

@rastinza @Andre @ringo I think that depends on the subject you're debating. A term I think is annoying is "settled science". Even I, who can't argue the finer points of the covid vaccines or climate change know that "settled science" is bs. When you say "97% of scientists say that climate change in man's fault" people tend to then take that as fact & call it "settled science" while silencing the scientists who disagree with how the info collected is interpreted.

if we didn't silence the dissenters we might not have consensus 😉
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@thatguyoverthere
You can look at other fields of science and clearly see that in many cases no wide consensus is available.
Just have a glimpse into theoretical physics, put together in a room someone supporting quantum mechanics and someone else supporting relativity and see who's the one coming out alive.
@Andre @pamby1 @ringo

I think that would be better for all fields of science honestly. It's interesting because no one is telling me how I should live my life because of new discoveries around gravity or quantum mechanics (aside from perhaps trying to leverage quantum resistant cryptography). I think the use of climate science to justify controlling human behavior at a global level is dangerous for many people of the world. I think that the move from fossil fuels to "green" energy results in a massive amount of resources being mined and used, and I question whether or not getting a new electric car in 2022 rather than driving a 2003 diesel is really actually good for the environment.

I do think we need to do better as stewards of this planet, but I don't think our impact on the climate is where most of the attention should be. I think protecting the world from man-made materials leaching all kinds of chemicals that can disrupt living systems is a much bigger concern. I think preventing global war is a bigger concern. I also think reducing global interdependence and building more resilient decentralized systems across all facets of human life is more important.
until we check they are both dead and alive at the same time 😉

@thatguyoverthere

Is this you?

Dogsoldier2

He's talking about Schroedinger’s cat food?

What are the chances two people in one afternoon are all about Schroedinger.

@Katrina_Fights
Depends, better not say so before they enter or you'll also be in trouble.
Until the room is closed they're clearly both dead and alive ;)
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