@Hyolobrika @robryk npting that them volunteering does not mean they're getting accepted.
@dhfir @Hyolobrika @robryk the loopholes for that have already been debated as old as the proposition was 
Smedley's version was i think they had to put someone from their immediate family up for a combat role. Heinlein's military model couldn't reject volunteers.
Heinlein's is actually more severe though. Nobody can vote without service (but they have to take you, even if that means you're a cook for 8 years.)
Smedley's version was i think they had to put someone from their immediate family up for a combat role. Heinlein's military model couldn't reject volunteers.
Heinlein's is actually more severe though. Nobody can vote without service (but they have to take you, even if that means you're a cook for 8 years.)
Smedley seems to be describing the same system that Heinlein was: as far as decisions to declare war are concerned, he's proposing only people who would be drafted to be eligible to vote (in https://archive.org/details/war-is-a-racket-smedley). Did he say something else sometime?
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town @dhfir
@robryk from what i remember Smedley was mostly restricting the right to vote for wars. I don't think random civilian concerns were part of it.
Heinlein does put the entirety of government + policing + history education in the hands of veterans only, but also includes a provision that enlistment is a constitutional right (the military can't take shit over by just declaring everyone they don't like ineligible.)
@Hyolobrika @dhfir
Heinlein does put the entirety of government + policing + history education in the hands of veterans only, but also includes a provision that enlistment is a constitutional right (the military can't take shit over by just declaring everyone they don't like ineligible.)
@Hyolobrika @dhfir
Sorry for being imprecise, you are right in what you said just now. The part I tried to point at was:
> Smedley's version was i think they had to put someone from their immediate family up for a combat role.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town @dhfir
the book didn't exist yet, but they were both approximating the thesis of "Skin in the Game" which is basically that prosperity functions best when the people who benefit from it are also forced to partake in the risks.
@Hyolobrika @dhfir