theguardian.com/society/2023/s I find this article very strange. If you are going to make accusations, you should expect the accused to both do what they can to clear their name and also not be on your side. The quote at the bottom about not expecting a university to investigate a murder seems very reasonable.

I reread the article to see if it made more sense on the 2nd read, and it really does feel like universities are offering something they can’t really deliver on and then are complaining when delivery is impossible.

The “let’s deal with a serious crime through our complaints process” is totally wacko.

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Why is this very different than other associations that have due process for ejecting members? I would expect that they all would be faced with that problem (members claim other members harmed them in a very significant and illegal way but don't want to get the law enforcement involved; the association wants to prevent future harm). Is there something that makes universities more likely to encounter it, or that makes it more difficult for them to deal with it, or that makes the expectations on them different?

@robryk Universities have young people, sleeping places and booze, which likely makes rape more common. Young people are also less likely to go to the cops.

Universities seem to be trying to do something, when employers are often either denying a problem or covering up a problem.

Big established employers are used to lawyers being involved in disputes, even for internal hearings. This whole university thing is new.

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