For anyone out there who considers themselves a progressive I'm curious, do you see yourself as a conservative, liberal, or moderate who happens to also be ?

@debbie I know about a dozen progressive conservatives personally, about as many progressive liberals.

@js290 @freemo I don't like this political compass. It has at least one false dichotomy (left-right)

@sandfox @freemo   social freedoms are not orthogonal to economic freedoms

@js290 @freemo true because for example economic freedoms make you more independent and grant you some social freedoms almost automatically (but not the other way around). Also this "practical" spectrum should not be so symmetrical because for the reason above, left wing goes authoritarian much earlier and easier

Nevertheless this compass has much less paradoxes. It explains why both extremes of the spectrum feel like exactly same grade of shit by placing commies and nazis together. It also lacks such strange paradox as "socialist libertarian"

@sandfox @freemo Libertarian Socialism? Sheldon Richman | @SheldonRichman@twitter.com https://c4ss.org/content/32398

@js290 @freemo I understand that there may be libertarian socialists but their faith is irrational. Any non-market economy will require a center of power which will be essentially a form of government. And as any socialist state on practice shows us, it will be quite oppressive

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@js290 @freemo well, libertarians see their ideal state as a confederation of communes. These communes can have any rules. This way you can actually belong to a libertarian socialist commune but still the commune itself will exist in a market-driven environment. So it is not exactly a separate ideology, also it's survivability is questionable at best

@sandfox @freemo  James Scott on the topic of "The Art of Not Being Governed" https://youtu.be/RNkkEU7EoOk

@js290 @freemo Is there a text version? I don't have time for 1,5 got long videos

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