Is it not the case that whatever climate science exists is so tangled up with the IPCC propaganda that it's nearly impossible to unravel them?
@sda There is literally no question that human based climate change is happening and we are in big trouble if we don't do something. Well educated people all agree, climate scientists almost universally agree that it is happening and it is bad.
It's not impossible at all. In fact, it's quite easy.
@Surasanji No scientist ever said, "The science is settled." That's what priests and dogmatists say.
I'll let the logical fallacy (appeal to authority) slide.
@sda Okay, so prove to me that the majority of scientists say otherwise.
@Surasanji
a) science is a democracy? If 1000 scientists say there's no God, but 666 say there is, then there's no God? The science is settled?
b) The hypothesis is that CO2 causes global warming. That hypothesis has never been tested, much less proven. It's up to the politicians asserting it to prove it.
The job of scientists is to be skeptical.
@sda You are the one asserting that 'propaganda' is making it nearly impossible to unravel the facts. SO.. Prove it.
a) Doesn't matter- not applicable to my question or your statement.
b) The hypothesis is that 'green house gasses' such as CO2 cause a warming effect in the climate. This is easily proven, and has been prove to the point that most climate scientists agree that climate change is happening. It isn't up to politicians to prove a damn thing- it's up to rational scientists to show facts, figures, and trends towards the hypothesis.
They have.
You're the one saying otherwise. So, please, cite your sources.
a) You said "Okay, so prove to me that the majority of scientists say otherwise."
Irrelevant what a "majority" of scientists say. The science is not the the same as the number of scientists who say it. Einstein said something to the effect of "No number of experiments can prove me right, but a single one can prove me wrong."
"most climate scientists agree that climate change is happening"
Irrelevant what "most" scientists agree.
"You are the one asserting that 'propaganda' is making it nearly
impossible to unravel the facts.
SO.. Prove it."
I made no such assertion. I asked a question about unraveling science from propaganda.
Let's pretend for a moment though that I actually did make such an assertion. How would I prove something that I've already said would be nearly impossible to unravel?
Christy quit the IPCC in disgust because they altered his reports. Others' reports were also altered. That's sort of the definition of propaganda. The scientists submit their reports. The political body (IPCC) alters them for publication.
If I thought you'd watch it, even for a laugh, I'd point you to the BBC show that asks a lot of questions about global warming assumptions.
