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@Dblaze09 Thanks to the CDC and the WHO.... you mean thanks to a deadly virus and epidemic.. the CDC and WHO didnt cause a deadly disease.
@freemo @Dblaze09
Italy and NYC were pretty much the only places hospitals got overloaded... also happen to be places where air quality was bad, and governmental mandates were counterproductive.
Everywhere else, whole floors of hospitals are shut down and doctors and nurses are sent home for lack of anything to do.
This is in places that locked down as well as places that didn't lock down.
The SIMPLE fact is that COVID is not significantly worse than any influenza. The SIMPLE fact is that government actions (e.g., sending COVID positive elderly back from hospitals to nursing homes) contributed to the "excessive death" numbers more than the actual virus did.
Italy has excellent air quality, so the air quality excuse doesnt cut it.
But ya know what Italy and New York DO actually have in common.. they didnt quarantine.
Of course hospitals were shut down everywhere else... that... was... the... point... why do you think we quarantine, to ensure people dont wind up in hospitals, and it worked.
Honestly the argument is to the point of absurdity to think its no worse than the flu. then again global conspiracies that involve most doctors around the world all lying to us about its severity, just like most global conspiracy theories are always laughable. I'd be ok with the argument that it wasnt as bad as we first thought, to some extent. But come on.
I have at least 30 or some friends who work in hospitals around the world. Every single one of them talked to me about how before the quarintine was in full effect their hospitals were overrun, supplies running low, and barely enough resources to support the epidemic.. but yea I guess they all lied huh?
by the way for some actual numbers...
Right now we have had over a month of complete lockdown in most of the USA, so we are obviously at a much lower load than we were prior to lock down and even lower than what would have been without lockdown, obviously.
Despite this 8 US states have over 70% or more of their ICU beds filled.
Literally no matter how you look at the actual numbers everything you said turns out to be nonsense.. Where do you even get this sort of anti-science nonsense from, do you even do actual research, or just assume you something and then try to back it up?
Like i said its on a level of absurdity its hard to even respond to. It would be like debunking a flat-earther, how do you even debunk someone who says things that arent even close to the reality of the situation?
> Italy has excellent air quality,
Sure it does.
"Indeed, 84,400 premature deaths have been registered in Italy,"
"In Northern Italy, [where most of the COVID deaths were] including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe."
"Polish and Italian populations breath dangerously polluted air, a new report ..."
You obviously have a huge ego, and an unfathomable confirmation bias. As I've said before (without calling you a flat earther), rational discussion seems beyond your grasp. Though I'll probably post stuff you'll disagree with, I'm most probably through answering your uninformed assertions.
@sda Convient, still havent heard of a country from you that didnt impose social distancing or quarantine that didnt undergo an overloaded ICU (and several examples of places where this did happen).
It would be one thing if you just asserted "COVID-19 isn't as bad as many people thought".. but to claim it is equivelant to the flu is absolutely absurd, and yes, on the same level as claiming the earth is flat.
Btw by every measure of air pollution Italy is about average for europe. the eastern half has worse air, the western half cleaner air.
Nope, Pakistan actually has large number of centers devoted to COVID-19 quarantine. They have been quarantining fairly actively. In fact it is state enforced rather than just a suggestion, much more strict than other countries in that sense.
They have converted hundreds of hotels, for example, to act as quarantine centers for COVId-19.
Quarantine center in Pakistan are joke, Some viral video are showing that no one following social distancing in those centers. Some center are very bad in condition and lack basic goods for daily life.
Noone seems to be following social distancing, guidelines and doctors are simply quoting Corona as fraud.
Pakistan will be the biggest graveyard, we will ever see.
@sda @Dblaze09
@Inditoot One reason @sda 's claim is so absurd is just how wide spread the quarantine is, and how strongly affected people are who don't.
Even African countries are undergoing quarantine in locations where there is enough population to enforce it. I have several friends in various african countries who have remarked on the quarantine to me.
Like I said its such an absurd statement its like arguing for flat earth or something.
@sda
None of this changes the fact that in any region where quarintine wasnt put into effect hospitals quickly got overloaded past capacity. We saw this in everywhere from NYC to Italy.
We can discuss the actual statistics around the virus all we want, but that simple fact wont change.
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