Let me remind you:
Did we seriously just get our first "vaccines cause autism" post on QOTO... sad day. Lets hope this doesnt become a trend and we keep having real science here.
NONE of those studies say that "vaccines CAUSE autism." That would be hyperbole and misrepresentation. I'm sorry this seems to be such a hot button issue for you.
@freemo @xyfdi
All the links are within the power point, If I can make them out though my cataracts, certainly your eyeballs can.
You simply chose to call the entire thing junk science before investigating the included doi's.
(The title used by Hacker News was a bit clickbaity... FOIA was certainly not necessary)
I normally find you to be fairly balanced and open minded, but somehow you lump every study that demonstrates a risk with vaccines to be "flat earth."
Again, are you ACTUALLY saying that every study that finds risk with vaccines to be flat earth quality? Without even looking at it?
Hmmm.... yet you immediately characterize certain studies as "not real science" without even looking at them, even going so far as to bring out a strawman for them.
The impression I got was that anything negative about vaccines is junk science. That vaccines are 100% benefit with 0% risk. I'm sure that's not how you actually feel, but that was the sense of what you wrote.
Antibiotic exposure and risk of Parkinson's disease in finland: A nationwide case‐control study
https://doi.org/10.1002/mds.27924
?tldr;
Conclusions
Exposure to certain types of oral antibiotics seems to be associated with an elevated risk of PD with a delay that is consistent with the proposed duration of a prodromal period. The pattern of associations supports the hypothesis that effects on gut microbiota could link antibiotics to PD, but further studies are needed to confirm this.
@freemo
Started with a C=64 at home, and used a dual-floppy 286 at work(or maybe it was an XT), but when the boss left he took it with him. Had to revert to a Wang word processor with 8" floppy the new boss brought.
10 years earlier, I was doing intelligence stuff (numbers station) using reel-to-reel, punched paper tape and 1.5, 3.0 and 10 KW transmitters. It's hard to imagine how they had voice synthesizers then.
@compass_straight_edge @freemo
good to know
@compass_straight_edge @freemo
I liked the download feature, but it's been disabled for some reason. I'm glad for youtube-dl.
@compass_straight_edge
Though philosophy isn't one of my burning passions, I have taken A philosophy course. If you define philosophy as "How do we know what we know?" and science as "How we know what we know," they're obviously very strongly related.
Yeah, I was just mentally meandering about the meaning of "science" as opposed to "the scientific method." I'm well aware of the latter, but the former seems to have as many meanings as there are people who've thought about it.
@freemo
The slide following that doesn't point to Pubmed, but
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02772240701806501
> Again can you link me to the actual study that you posted in your original link as it appears on pubmed.
Well, the FIRST pubmed link points to
https://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754(00)90072-1/fulltext
@namark
I agree with the "concept."
In addition to "bad people," the actual implementation seems to be a glitch... but implementation varies from journal to journal, so maybe step one of fixing it should be a standard methodology?
I am on zero journal lists for peer review, so I'm sure you're much more adept at finding it than am I.
@freemo
No, we did not.
> Anyone who wishes to
I wish to. Where do I find this public record of peer reviews?
> This is usually archived somewhere.
"Somewhere." I guess that's the mystery.
"Any kind of non trivial knowledge has no value unless you can convince your peers to believe/understand its value. That's the whole point."
True. Does peer review, as it exists today, do that?
@freemo
Who sees the reviews? The Journal editor certainly. Who else?
@freemo
Exactly! I agree 100%
This one's even better.
The Failure of Peer Review
https://globalfreedommovement.org/the-failure-of-peer-review/
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