@admitsWrongIfProven sorry for the delay - I got pulled into something and then bed.

I wasn't sure how serious or silly you wanted to be. Figured I'd start with some probing questions and see where the night took us. If you'd like I'm all about playing around with a more defensible position if you're just looking to fence? Or we can take turtle to the very edges of absurdity - I'm just here to have a good time