@complexmath @Tinu Absolutely. Language in particular is a very powerful mechanism for identifying who is "part of the tribe" and who isn't. Lots of other things, particularly skin color, are obviously used that way as well. The hard part, from my perspective, is that doing this is a fundamental part of being a human, or mammal for that matter.

I don't have any exact way forward but it seems to me that acknowledging tribes, and tribalism, as a necessary part of the human experience is needed for any kind of meaningful cross-community discussions and growth.

CWs, and the discussions around them, seem like a really good example of tribes building up identities around something. Open question is whether the tribes can come to understand each other and work together to figure out a good way forward or not. It'll be interesting!

@shadowsonawall @Tinu muting and blocking means I don’t want to listen to you. Saying someone has to live inside a CW means no one wants to listen to you, and puts the labor for managing that on the person concerned. When most people in the space don’t seem to be following the same rules, that message is even louder. And it shouldn’t be necessary to push for changes just to feel like you can exist somewhere. Folks are tired.

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@complexmath @Tinu oooo - I hadn't considered that perspective (an individual not wanting to hear vs an ask that you not be heard). Thank you! That makes a lot of sense. I'm not directly affected but I appreciate the effort to educate me anyway!

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