One thing that I would like to figure out is how to become good and noble in character.

And how do we practice this in our daily modern lives? We don't live in times suited to this.

@sim first you need indepence and isolation and then build a network of people carefully chosen imo

@asa So you think it depends on the company that you keep around you or that are just around you? I could see that, it's hard for people to feel judged when they see someone who is good and noble, and there are others who may take advantage too.

@sim I mean it emanates from you if you are capable of it, but in order for the good to win you need to distance yourself from the people that are broken otherwise there is zero chance, they will bring you down.

@asa Yeah, I think that is where the uphill battle would be. When other people around you want to bring you down or when this is done through the system as we are seeing now.

@sim if you behave in good faith and show noble character you will find that those around you deeply despise you for it, this is a lesson I learned, they'd rather have you stab them to death and dance on their corpse than show you can win where they lost.

@asa I don't really understand where this despising of good faith and nobleness comes from. Except that it is hard for them to feel judged, or they are broken and do not trust it when they see it in people so lash out.

@sim It's pure envy, feelings of inferiority coupled with inability to blame themselves ends in projecting it onto others, your existence is offensive to them because it proves that the false narrative they have built where they are victims and not to blame, is false.

I hope my English makes sense, It's not my main language.

@sim so for example think of a guetto person that ends up doing drugs and being in a gang, a broken life.

He sees someone who came from the same situation as him, same guetto, same broken families, etc. but that person became a respectable man/woman, the existence of that person proves that the first is just inferior in some way, the situation is not to blame but himself not being good enough.

@sim if that second person didnt exist, then the victim narrative could be upheld.

sry for the rant lol

@asa No problem! Your English is okay. The rant helped me to better understand what you meant with the example. The desire for a victim narrative is very strong for people, isn't it? They'd rather blame an external source like the situation than their own mindset/attitude and the actions they took in their reaction to their situation. It must be difficult to live in a ghetto, wanting to pull yourself up from it but that is frowned upon.

@sim @asa check out the Cyropaedia "Education of Cyrus" by Xenophon